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Originally posted by Cobalt I disagree. Trance imparts more emotion to me than listening to these other forms of music. Are you the one to deem that my reaction is wrong and somehow does not reflect the 'intelligence' of the music? Do you seriously think that trance artists do not attempt to create emotion through progression? That emotion from trance is merely a friendly side effect? No, it flows from the talent, the intelligence of crafting the music that way.

perhaps so, but you'd be surprised to find out how much of who you are and what you are, is determined by your brain "chemistry."

in fact, all of you.

i wouldn't find it surprising if the mind is just primed to enjoy a certain type of music, from constant exposure.

it's a well known phemonenon. why do you like sleeping in your own bed, rather than in a hotel (for example)? it's because you're primed to your bed, you're used to it. it's not because your bed is "better".

(i never imagined i would be defending branmuffin, even in part)

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Originally posted by Alccode perhaps so, but you'd be surprised to find out how much of who you are and what you are, is determined by your brain "chemistry." in fact, all of you. i wouldn't find it surprising if the mind is just primed to enjoy a certain type of music, from constant exposure.

This still only relegates his argument to saying "all music is equal" because it would mean that what we think is intelligent is based on what we are used to. It does not defend his claim.

Anyhow, we do have indicators about what music takes more skill and intelligence, and some music is clearly preferred over others because of the effect on the listener and the complexity of creating such an effect.

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Originally posted by Cobalt This looks incorrect to me because I know what typical hearbeats are. I have an unusually high resting heartbeat at about 80-something, but that chart says that's below normal. Most of my friends have heartrates around and below 70. I've taken them myself. The maximum cannot seriously be around 200 for a 20-year-old. They would probably fall into cardiac arrest before that pace. Those could be actual maximums, but the 'target zone' seems very wrong to me.

wait, you're right. it seems way wrong. i just measured my heartbeat (in a crude way - counted how many beats in 15 seconds, the multiplied by 4), and it's around 70. and i'm 19, so based on that chart, i'm WAY below what i "should" be.

hehe it's not like i can ever find that page again. i just did a quick google search . lol

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Originally posted by Cobalt This still only relegates his argument to saying "all music is equal," and does not defend his claim.

hmmm...i see what you mean, but i kindly disagree. music is relativistic, just like anything else. what one person likes may be another person's bane. (often true - for example i personally detest hiphop)

i wonder, are objective arguments like "X type of music is better than Y type of music because of such and such reasons" even valid? can music be ranked objectively? perhaps not. perhaps it's all subjective, relative to the observer (err.."listener").

i'll chime in with my 2cents here
I grew up listen to classical music
hated everything else (i know kinda weird)
I got into trance less than a year ago and i love it
both can get you very relaxed and make you feel good
listening to trance i can hum and sort of predict what is coming next even on the first listen
i can say the same for classical music
If you listen to a lot of it, there are formulas and simple phrases that repeat.
I can't really specifically name what that is because i'm no musical genious but if you listen to any music, there are formulas that make things seem very simple.
Well, if you're still not convinced, you try making a tune like Xpander

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Originally posted by Cobalt This looks incorrect to me because I know what typical hearbeats are. I have an unusually high resting heartbeat at about 80-something, but that chart says that's below normal. Most of my friends have heartrates around and below 70. I've taken them myself. The maximum cannot seriously be around 200 for a 20-year-old. They would probably fall into cardiac arrest before that pace. Those could be actual maximums, but the 'target zone' seems very wrong to me.

Target zone is 50% to 75% of your max as he mentioned (actually its more like 70-80%, depending on if you want to work cardiac muscles or burn fat). My resting heartrate is about 60 bpm, when I run on my treadmill with the hearbeat sensor it is usually around 120, give or take a few beats.

You were comparing resting heart rate to a stimulated heart beat, that is why your heart beat fell well under the range. I think you just mistook Target Heart Rate zone for your resting heart rate, it refers to your heart rate when physically active.

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Originally posted by puckhead hated everything else (i know kinda weird)

i'm with you! other than classical and trance, i pretty much dislike everything else, though i can stand most of it.

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Originally posted by DoctorLW You were comparing resting heart rate to a stimulated heart beat, that is why your heart beat fell well under the range. I think you just mistook Target Heart Rate zone for your resting heart rate, it refers to your heart rate when physically active.

Oh, I see. But do our heartrates when dancing really fall continuously into that region? Perhaps.

Still, I think it has much more to do with how fast we feel comfortable moving than with our heartrate. I can enjoy trance while sitting and tapping my foot as much as when dancing, but my heartrate in the former case is still around resting.

(referring back to the original post)

Try making trance, or any other electronic music (except d'n'b) and then say that. See if what you make comes out sounding anything like professional. The structures may seem simple to you but in fact are very complicated. It's not about "here comes the hi-hats, here comes the bassline,...." It's also getting the right sounds and making them work together. Making the music flow and sound good and quite importantly, danceable.

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Why "except drum'n'bass"? It's not easier to produce than any other genre...

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Every genre is different, trance being the most different. The style of trance is to be repetitive and to repeat melodies. You cant compare the complexity of other music genres to trance because they are all different styles, and therefore its impossible to justly draw a comparison. It would be possible, however, to compare the complexity of 2 tracks within a genre. That said, all this fuss is based on opinion, since no one can truly compare the complexity between 2 different genres. Therefore each side of this argument (10+ vs 1) makes valid points but nobody will ever win

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".