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Originally posted by Coup tnt in their pants

Lmao

this aint a road runner cartoon lol

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Originally posted by Spad Underground like Bedrock? Who have a tent at Homelands? Thanks for the words of wisdom

I never said Bedrock was underground, anyone whoes ever been can testify to that! Its full of tourists these days and not what it used to be(God i hate saying that, sound like an old man). Atleast Digweed can still claim to some extent that hes in it for the music (& yes the money too). Homelands promoters are solely in it for the money.

I used the example of tribal gathering, which also isnt amazingly underground, but again they are doing it for the right reasons. They put on parties for people to have fun and escape to, im not gonna pretend they dont wanna make some money as well, but the party is as important as the money.

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Originally posted by Coup Sorry dude but youre talking absolute crap. So lets totally fuck off any form of security, let any old joker in with knifes in their trousers and tnt in their pants, and then if u dont get attacked or something happened due to the fact anyone can walk in, the police will raid it and shut it down, u rule.

I didnt say fuck off all security, i just said fuck off the dogs. Like it or not, the clubbing scene was made on drug culture. I rarely do drugs myself these days, but you cannot deny that clubbing culture emerged as ecstacy took off. Its so funny to see how its peaks and trends can be matched to how good pills are.

By having dogs ur detaching urself from what the scene was built on, ie totally selling out.

What i wanted to say was you'll probably have better nigths in a club for a quarter of the price, in places where promoters still care about what they are putting out, as opposed to just counting the cash.

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Originally posted by bedrocking What i wanted to say was you'll probably have better nigths in a club for a quarter of the price, in places where promoters still care about what they are putting out, as opposed to just counting the cash.

I agree with you, but no point sitting at home doing fuck all for the sake of your morals is there

I think you can count mauro picotto out, cos' he's not playing any big events this year, only in clubs.

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Originally posted by bedrocking I didnt say fuck off all security, i just said fuck off the dogs. Like it or not, the clubbing scene was made on drug culture. I rarely do drugs myself these days, but you cannot deny that clubbing culture emerged as ecstacy took off. Its so funny to see how its peaks and trends can be matched to how good pills are. By having dogs ur detaching urself from what the scene was built on, ie totally selling out.

I agree that clubbing needs drugs and drugs need clubbing, but the problem is drugs are illegal and if big events like this dont put on ample anti-drug people then they wont happen. reguardless whats built on what, drugs are illegal so have to be 'stamped out'.

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Originally posted by Coup I agree that clubbing needs drugs and drugs need clubbing, but the problem is drugs are illegal and if big events like this dont put on ample anti-drug people then they wont happen. reguardless whats built on what, drugs are illegal so have to be 'stamped out'.

Thats my point though. Id rather not have the big events if it means loosing our soul to lots of money.

Uk clubbing was founded on illegal raves in the countryside, that is what these festivals are based upon essentially. Like or not getting fucked in the sunshine is a crucial part of it.

Id rather have no dance music festivals, than have them in their current state. As i say, need to take it back underground. Luckily its happening again, in all genres of dance music too, not just stuff like techno and tech-house.

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Originally posted by bedrocking Id rather have no dance music festivals, than have them in their current state. As i say, need to take it back underground. Luckily its happening again, in all genres of dance music too, not just stuff like techno and tech-house.

That's a bit selfish init?

Does it really make any difference to you if 50,000 people go and pay 30 quid to dance in a field?? How does that make you enjoy the music less? There are still freeparty's all over the country, go find em.

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Originally posted by Spad That's a bit selfish init? Does it really make any difference to you if 50,000 people go and pay 30 quid to dance in a field?? How does that make you enjoy the music less? There are still freeparty's all over the country, go find em.

Thats very true. Your right, at the end of the day i wont just go, i dont care if u lot do. But messageboards are about opinions after all.

sorry dude but i think ur opinion doesnt make sense, in a way its like saying i aint gona drive a car no more coz of the speed limit..

How about if the speed limit was 5mph, would u seriously drive to Sheffield from London? I wouldnt.

Basically mate if a scene you love so dearly and have been a part of for years, gets ruined by big money grabbing ****s, id rather not go to their nights.

Money grabbing promoters have ruined some parts of clubland and yes i know its always been like that to an extent, but never as bad as it is with festivals. Its clubbing aimed at the mainstream, rather than clubbers.

Hence y i dont wanna go.

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Originally posted by bedrocking Basically mate if a scene you love so dearly and have been a part of for years, gets ruined by big money grabbing ****s, id rather not go to their nights.

dude this is retarded, clubbing is built on drugs but drugs are i l l e g a l.

Im finding this very hard to argue because the point is so blantely obvious its hard to type.

Im not gonna get on the whole drugs debate cos i cant be fucked and it takes too long. Im pleased for you that you are a nice law abiding citizen, but i personally like to make my own decisions based on my own moral judgements.

As for my argument, drugs are part of it, but not the whole. Having sniffer dogs is just an example of the huge commercialisation of clubbing. It was just for me a step too far, but its only a step in the process. It was a final sympton if u like.

For me its just the overall comercialisation, cans of grolsch £3-4, minging burgers nearly that, tacky fair ground rides, shite soundsystems that pack up(its a myth u cant have decent sound for along period of time, tribal gathering managed it for a weekend!), schedules that are wrong but sold neway, over priced tickets, thoughtless line ups. I could go on. But basically the fact they really arent that good and lets be honest most people go to them just for the fact that there is this desire to be in a field, sun shining, decent music playing, with lots of like minded people on pills.

But as i said go if u want, who am i to say. And they can be good, GCSSS2000 being the best example, but they can also be terrible, GCS2002 being the best example! Id just rather stop wasting my money.