i'm with those who believe there is a difference in downloading and selling. way i see it, i download mp3s cuz of lack of money to support my desire to have trance. we're all young people here, and one can understand the need to make money. BUT to sell your mp3s to ppl is plain wrong. downloading spreads the love, informs us of new stuff out there and wut not in hopes of us spending more money on actual copies...but getting money off work that is blatantly not yours is wrong, by law and by morals. from a musician's standpoint, not getting paid for their art/music is one thing, someone MAKING MONEY off of it is most definitely another. there are shitloads of law books and copyright infringements that i'm sure this guy is in violation of.

sidenote: i would not have been as against it as seeing he's sharing 300 gigs, but seeing as someone pointed out he only has one slot open? um...that's not right dude. i share my meager 12 gigs with 5 slots on a cable modem.

i question you (archon810) and give you a chance to defend yourself...how much profit are you making off this? do you not feel you are doing the producers an even BIGGER disservice by selling stuff that isn't yours?

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time for patriotic TA declarations...but bear with me cuz i think there is a certain truth and validity to it. we are all TA's...and most are true lovers of trance and not leechers. many thanks to this kid who is sharing 300 gb of trance...but making money off it, that's another matter entirely. he argues that he is selling mp3 cd's to dj's, people who are ignorant about trance cuz they can't speak english, lack the fast internet connections, lack hard drive space...whatever. if he wasn't partially using the hub as a source of download for his music, i would not interfere...but he is. regardless of how fast or slow any of our connections are...we have painstakingly collected our trance over time. we love our trance...and we may hoard it amongst us TA's...but we love it nonetheless and appreciate it for what its worth. if this guy was such a big trance lover, and wanted to give all these ignorant ppl a chance to hear trance, then he should do it freely...out of the pure goodness of his heart, instead of making money off of it. i don't think it's right that he is downloading off our hub and making a profit out of it. we love trance. we spend eons listening to it, clubbing to it, dancing to it, dreaming to it, sleeping to it, breathing it...and he is making money from it...that just strikes me as sacrilegious for lack of a better word.

he must go.

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Originally posted by Arbiter 1. If you can't afford to buy it, you won't buy it under any circumstances. 2. If you wouldn't have bought it anyway, they couldn't have profited from you whether or not your pirated it. 3. If your piracy has no effect on their profits, then you have done nothing to harm them. 4. If they aren't harmed, no one is. 5. If no one's being harmed, and you're being benefited, how can this be a bad thing?

# 1 is right for everything (not just music but, EVERYTHING). # 2: ??? # 3: Isn't it impossible to be aware if someone is losing profit off something if you just DL a few thousand MP3s? I lost track of what I have long ago, LET ALONE how much I've affected them (if at all). # 4: Isn't all artists harmed by people like me who may wait years before he buys something he downloads? # 5: This is true for live sets because no one's being harmed and everyone's benefitted but, what about if someone like me downloads an album but, never purchases it just because he wants a "perfect album", where he loves every single track? Almost EVERY album and live set that I have has at least one "weak" track that I don't really care for.

PS: Do any DJs play any full sets and record full mixed albums with just epic anthem Trance from 1998--1999?

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Originally posted by niteshayde time for patriotic TA declarations...but bear with me cuz i think there is a certain truth and validity to it. we are all TA's...and most are true lovers of trance and not leechers. many thanks to this kid who is sharing 300 gb of trance...but making money off it, that's another matter entirely. he argues that he is selling mp3 cd's to dj's, people who are ignorant about trance cuz they can't speak english, lack the fast internet connections, lack hard drive space...whatever. if he wasn't partially using the hub as a source of download for his music, i would not interfere...but he is. regardless of how fast or slow any of our connections are...we have painstakingly collected our trance over time. we love our trance...and we may hoard it amongst us TA's...but we love it nonetheless and appreciate it for what its worth. if this guy was such a big trance lover, and wanted to give all these ignorant ppl a chance to hear trance, then he should do it freely...out of the pure goodness of his heart, instead of making money off of it. i don't think it's right that he is downloading off our hub and making a profit out of it. we love trance. we spend eons listening to it, clubbing to it, dancing to it, dreaming to it, sleeping to it, breathing it...and he is making money from it...that just strikes me as sacrilegious for lack of a better word. he must go.

Something I forgot to say earlier: I GIVE AWAY to people who don't have the access that I have some of my MP3 and Audio CD-Rs that I have duplicates of but, I never would make money off these. It's terrible to do that. Everyone, my question is: if I download MP3s, is there a difference between GIVING and SELLING it? I see a BIG difference: When you give, no profit is made by the wrong people. When you sell, you are making money that is not rightfully yours. You're not being honest. It's similar to stealing. If you who sell MP3s want to legally make money [and not get in trouble], get into producing music or DJ-ing. If you or anyone you know can't afford it, get a job and save up for it. If you're too young to do that (I'm talking about 14 years of age and under), find a way to convince people to buy it for you. Demand what you have a right to own!!!

I bought a cd for 15 quid (gods summer trance)
riped it and uploaded it for my mates to share
and one of them sold copies off it

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Originally posted by niteshayde time for patriotic TA declarations...but bear with me cuz i think there is a certain truth and validity to it. we are all TA's...and most are true lovers of trance and not leechers. many thanks to this kid who is sharing 300 gb of trance...but making money off it, that's another matter entirely. he argues that he is selling mp3 cd's to dj's, people who are ignorant about trance cuz they can't speak english, lack the fast internet connections, lack hard drive space...whatever. if he wasn't partially using the hub as a source of download for his music, i would not interfere...but he is. regardless of how fast or slow any of our connections are...we have painstakingly collected our trance over time. we love our trance...and we may hoard it amongst us TA's...but we love it nonetheless and appreciate it for what its worth. if this guy was such a big trance lover, and wanted to give all these ignorant ppl a chance to hear trance, then he should do it freely...out of the pure goodness of his heart, instead of making money off of it. i don't think it's right that he is downloading off our hub and making a profit out of it. we love trance. we spend eons listening to it, clubbing to it, dancing to it, dreaming to it, sleeping to it, breathing it...and he is making money from it...that just strikes me as sacrilegious for lack of a better word. he must go.

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to binkun and everyone else: i'm gladly sharing as long as you ask me. whether i have 2 or 3 slots doesn't matter, since i'm uploading with the remaining ul bandwidth that i have, if i had 2 slots, it would only mean that the uploads would finish twice as slow. Talk to me if you want an extra slot instead of bitching. this is not ftp, we have chat, ok?

And 1 slot, yes I have 1 slot, because I have an ftp on the same connection, and hosting off dsl isn't that fast you know... last year I had T3, and did you see me hog the bw?? I had 30 uploads going at the same time all the time. I can't push my limits off the $hit, i only have that much. give me T3, I'll give you 100 ul spots, I contribute whatever bandwidth I can anyway. Plus living with 2 other people who want internet faster than AOL dialup means something too, since ADSL slows downloads immensely when uploads are approaching full speed.

As for selling, I understand it's wrong and nevertheless, where does the insignificant amount of money go if i'm lucky to receive it? That's right - hard drive space, where did you think a college student can get 300 GB of space? Plus if you're saying I get all music for free, I do pay for it, newsgroups cost money too.

BTW, go on eBay and spam the guy who's selling mp3 CDs there too and spam all the websites that sell ISOs and music CDs and videos for money.

Alright it seems that ppl fell over the fact that Archon180 sells cd's with copyrighted tracks..

I kinda agree with them caus it "sounds" a really evil thing you do, but in fact everyone who isn't buying the original vinyl or cd after downloading an mp3 is as guilty as Archon180 is.

So if we stop making a big deal out of this and face the fact that this is in fact happening everywhere this flaming can end..

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It would be great if his ISP bills him for all the music he's been downloading
Downloading music is fine by me...i do it all the time...but making a profit of it and not buying ANY music to pay the artists for royalties is a no no

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Originally posted by Archon810 As for selling, I understand it's wrong and nevertheless, where does the insignificant amount of money go if i'm lucky to receive it? That's right - hard drive space, where did you think a college student can get 300 GB of space? Plus if you're saying I get all music for free, I do pay for it, newsgroups cost money too. BTW, go on eBay and spam the guy who's selling mp3 CDs there too and spam all the websites that sell ISOs and music CDs and videos for money.

IMO it's stupid to keep doing something you yourself admit is wrong just to make some money. Why don't you be honest like most people and get a job or if you already have a job, just use the money from that. Yes, I know there are other people who do this and when it's found out it's a person on these boards, they are usually flamed as well.

heh, tranceDJ, get a job? naaaaaaaaaaah jk
Actually I'm looking for one, but university takes up a lot of time...

About most people being honest, don't even start, people?? honest??? hahahaha.

You guys are pissed that he is doing something illegal in selling Data he takes the time to download, and some argue that it takes away from the companies that put out the material in the first place. Next you guys are saying he shouldnt be selling stuff we spend hours/months/years/centuries to download. Well look at like this, to start off, Downloading mp3's for the most part is Illegal, so your not helping anyone out much financially by doing so, because how many of you download music and then run out to the store and buy yourselves a hard copy of it? 2-5% maybe?
Next I think what he is doing is a great service, Say you loose your hardrive and with it goes MOnths if not Years(for me at least) of downloading songs movies and other files...20 40 100 200 gb's of data.....gone. WTF are you going to do? Piss in your pants and cry that you lost all that data you have been spending so much time on downloading. Then comes along someone that in my view will be doing you a Favor to offer such a service to give you the option to buy the some or most of the Data that you use to have, off him for a negotiable price. Now do you want to spend hours, months, years downloading it all over(most of the time you wont find some of the stuff again, or even remember everything you had), or do you want someone to help you get back where you left off minus some files he might not have. Now about him, I think its not kool to have 300gb of data, leech off people and have only 1 slot open for sharing, that I cant stand. Anyhow...Think about it, there are always 2 sides to everything.

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MoMu - Bring It On Back
Planisphere - Hosanna
FC Kahuna - Machine Says Yes {Josh wink dub)
MoMu - Dive
G-Pal - Life
Midtone - Pearl
Howie B - Folk (UNKLE mix)
Cass & Slide - Mind Rewind (Momu Remix)

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