Excellent Post naeblis, thanks for your input.

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look at japan, that fucked up stuff hentai rape and shit, and they treat women like shit, shockingly.

Thats because of their culture and long history of women being "servants" or whatever, back in the feudal days. Not that it justifies any of it, but their strange views towards sex are a result of their (sometimes poor) treatment of women, not vice versa.

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he never stipulated normal. he just said biological. plus who cares if its normal, like you said its how we deal with it. Instead of nutting up and asking a girl out to dinner, you whack off to some chick on a monitor and you are "satisfying" the urge for the moment. just like serial killers. There ARE healthier ways to vent urges then doing the most imeediately gratifying thing

Well, the urges are both biological and perfectly normal. EVERY creature on earth has the built in desire to reproduce. I dont see whats so abnormal about it, or fantasizing or whatnot. Servicing your hog is a lot safer and healthier for you than going off and buying a hooker, raping someone, or screwing the first drunk girl who offers. And yes, some people do just sit and fantasize all day without actually persuing an actual relationship with the opposite sex, but girls/guys of your dreams dont just grow on trees . Im a good looking guy and I can chat up girls without a lot of trouble, but ive yet to find someone I can really care for.. I wont bore you with details

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Originally posted by djnaeblis I have seen a marriage or two that was broken by porn, and what a stupid thing to break something of such great worth. And this was not that his wife was all crazy that he was looking at it, in fact she didn't even know. Well as the story goes he ends up sleeping with other women, and his wife finds out and divorces him. Talking with him, even he said that it all really started when he became addicted to PORN, and things just went bad from there. He regrets it to this day. "I am convinced that this exposure at an early age to sex and pornography is at the root of my addiction today. I think it is ironic that those who support the business of pornography say that it is a matter of freedom of expression. I have no freedom. I have lost my free agency because I have been unable to overcome this. It is a trap for me, and I can’t seem to get out of it. Please, please, please, not only avoid but eliminate the sources of pornographic material in their lives... " My point is... that it's all filthy, and that it hinders people from healthy lasting relationships. Yeah, sure we all have "biological urges"... go get a girlfriend instead of fantasizing about some slut trying to please you, because the reality is that its never going to be like that. Porn is an unacceptable outlet of sexual desire, that screws you up more that you get screwed, its addicting, and it will never really ever satisfy any long term sexual desires. It is corrosive to your mind. End of story.

The relationship wasn't healthy to begin with, nor were the people.
Of course the wife had every right to break up the relationship after the guy slept with other women, but the fact that "Porn made him do it" is absolutly ridiculous.
It was because the man was so obsessed with sex and wasn't able to control his sexual urges that he became first obsessed with porn then had to go have sex with other women.
The problem does not lie in the porn or the outside thing. It lies in the person. He used porn as his scapegoat.

And you saying that "porn is filthy" just because you think it is disgusting doesn't mean crap to the arguement of whether porn is good or bad. Everyone views things differently.
What is so horrible about people being open about their sexuality? Why is it something that has to be hidden?
No one is being harmed when two consenting people decide to get freaky for a camera, and when someone decides to watch it and get off to it or whatever.
Its just sex.
It's peoples closedmindedness, unequal view of men and women, blind conformity to society or a religion, and pointless suppression and denial of anythign sexual that makes porn "bad."
It is not porn that is corrosive to the mind, it is internal aspects such as these which are.

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Originally posted by montie People don't have a biological urge to hurt others. If you are to strip man down to its absolute natural state, the only reason it would hurt someone is for selfish reasons.

thats pure gibberish

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Originally posted by Vesa This topic breaks down to subquestions: Conclusion:I'm not in the habit of morally judging other guys. So I don't want to pass judgement now when I write this. But just because of subquestions 6 and 7, I THINK that porn is morally WRONG. Fashion modeling has some of the same problems as porn, but it's NOT at all wrong IMO. It's a matter of degree. It depends on whether the majority of people see the stars as degrading themselves or as celebrating their female body. (NOTE: I'm saying here that watching porn and producing porn is wrong in my personal moral code; being a porn actress is NOT wrong in my moral code). But moral or not, I keep watching porn, and so do the other guys.

i disagree with a lot of stuff in the rest of the post but conclusion is ok hehe...

next question, why do it if you think its wrong hehe

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Originally posted by Orbax thats pure gibberish

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in his most natural state man would hurt others to maitain his well-being.
natural selection

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Originally posted by montie The relationship wasn't healthy to begin with, nor were the people. Of course the wife had every right to break up the relationship after the guy slept with other women, but the fact that "Porn made him do it" is absolutly ridiculous. It was because the man was so obsessed with sex and wasn't able to control his sexual urges that he became first obsessed with porn then had to go have sex with other women. The problem does not lie in the porn or the outside thing. It lies in the person. He used porn as his scapegoat.

First of all. This claim is totally offbase, you do not even know the person, and he didn't use Porn as a scapegoat for his failed marriage. He simply stated that had he not started that he would not be in the place he is today. He is a great guy, just has some problems. And I am sure porn helps control "sexual urges".... yes... that why so many people are addicted to controlling sexual urges...

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What is so horrible about people being open about their sexuality? Why is it something that has to be hidden? No one is being harmed when two consenting people decide to get freaky for a camera, and when someone decides to watch it and get off to it or whatever. Its just sex. It's peoples closedmindedness, unequal view of men and women, blind conformity to society or a religion, and pointless suppression and denial of anythign sexual that makes porn "bad." It is not porn that is corrosive to the mind, it is internal aspects such as these which are.

First off...
I do not think Porn has anything to do with hiding sexual views...what you said doesn't even make sense. I guess if you want to express "sexual views"... you could just tell people you are straight or gay, without making a movie about it..hehe.

What does equality between Men and Women have anything to do with porn????

As for blind conformity? Sorry I am not the one that is follwing the trend of 100 million others and participating in wanking off to some girl on a computer screen. In fact, I am the ever shrinking minority that chooses to stay away from it like a horrible disease. I think I would rather grow as a person and involve myself in a real relationship where I can learn things that will help me become a better person rather than secluding myself in my bedroom fantacizing about some whore.

The fact is that everything you do affects other people, whether or not you choose to realize this is your problem.

True self control is learning to master yourself, not masterbate to a .jpg

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what, if there was no porn where would the blondes earn their money??

housewife doesnt pay anything

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you are all insane. who the hell cares if it's wrong or not, people aren't gonna stop looking at porn because of this thread, aren't they? so stop trying to come up with some intelligent arguments about porn and go do something useful with your life

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Originally posted by djnaeblis First of all. This claim is totally offbase, you do not even know the person, and he didn't use Porn as a scapegoat for his failed marriage. He simply stated that had he not started that he would not be in the place he is today. He is a great guy, just has some problems. And I am sure porn helps control "sexual urges".... yes... that why so many people are addicted to controlling sexual urges...

No I don't know this fellow, but he must be incredibly weak and has many other sexual problems if a simple thing like porn caused a chain of events where he ended up cheating on his wife.
Something as simple as porn can't destroy a relationship by itself.
Porn hurts as many relationships as it helps the sexual aspects of others. It's all in the people's reactions to the porn as I was trying to state in the second part of my post you replied to.

It's all in how you look at it