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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Still in your own mind only. Give me proof.

There are a number of DJ's where I live and in surrounding cities that I could point out that DL mp3's and burn them to CD to spin at clubs and parties on CD decks. This isn't just happening around here, I can guarantee that! Shady DJ's doing this IS directly affecting vinyl sales.

TA as a whole should point out a number of people who refuse to buy music. The proof is right here on the site, just look around at similar topics.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag And you've come right back with an even more ridiculous comment! I've been BUYING trance compilations, mix CD's, and records since 1992, thank you. I did very well for myself sifting thru the record shelves finding things I liked, without ANY help from the internet or music stealing. Bonzai was also a name I knew a decade ago, and I am saddened to see them go.

Well I guess you are one of few ppl then... Come on how many ppl listen to trance in ur country?? i mean mainstream not the freaks!! and i know that mp3 damages the pop music like britney spears or something (however who cares if she earns 10 million dollars or 5 million dollars a year) but mp3 helps trance to be spread all over the world!!
And how many ppl go actually to record shops where u can find underground music?! also only a few ones... the internet on the other hand is a great thing to find out what trance is (most ppl have acces to the i-net either ur hairs are blond and ur too stupid to handle a pc)
but i´m not going to arguing with you anymore... it´s senseless! you think you are right and I´m thinking Im right.... we won´t change each other minds.. you won´t change anybodys mind about mp3s on this forum so I would stop arguing, too

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Originally posted by DJMaytag Both of the above DO impact sales of records (why buy a vinyl when you can burn a CD and pop it in a CDJ-1000?),

Because most djs spin with vinyls!
the "real thing"

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Originally posted by T_2199 Well I guess you are one of few ppl then... Come on how many ppl listen to trance in ur country?? i mean mainstream not the freaks!!

Yeah, you're right. I'm one of only 6 ppl in the US that listen to trance!

Seriously, there is an equal number of tranceheads in the US compared to Europe. You're just going to see a much smaller percentage in any given city or area because the US is so big.

Trance was quite popular here during the first big explosion in 1993. I'm sure it got even bigger in 1998.

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Originally posted by T_2199 and i know that mp3 damages the pop music like britney spears or something (however who cares if she earns 10 million dollars or 5 million dollars a year)

OK, Britney Spears does NOT make 10, much less 5 million dollars a year from record sales. She may make a substantial sum from endorsements and touring, but a very slim portion of her income is from record sales.

While Britney (and others) may have record sales that put the dollar amounts into the stratosphere, artists see almost NONE of those dollars. The reason? For every Britney, there are 20+ artists that don't achieve the sales that labels project, so in essence, you have something like the top 5% of artists subsidizing the other 95%. Those top artists raking in the $$$ are the ones that make it financially feasible for labels to sign unknown artist in hopes that 1 out of 100 might make it big and be the next money maker for the company, so that the cycle can continue.

The same can also be said for the dance music industry, but in smaler dollar amounts.

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Originally posted by T_2199 but mp3 helps trance to be spread all over the world!!

what good is it to spread it, if it's contributing to the demise of the industry? what if more and more labels collapse and others stop taking risks by signing unknown artists? That's a sure fire way to REDUCE the number of producers making quality tunes...

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Originally posted by T_2199 And how many ppl go actually to record shops where u can find underground music?!

Exactly my point! People are turning to the internet in lieu of dropping by their local stores, hence being a detriment to the industry.

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Originally posted by T_2199 also only a few ones... the internet on the other hand is a great thing to find out what trance is (most ppl have acces to the i-net either ur hairs are blond and ur too stupid to handle a pc)

I didn't need the internet to find out what trance was. Many others in my area didn't need the internet either. I know it's hard to believe that there was once a time that in order to get music, you had to BUY it... but yes, that's the way it used to work before a new form of theft was invented.

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DJMaytag is right, especially about the mix albums and all. Why buy a mix album when you can DL it? Thats what most people do. You don't need hard facts or numbers Mr. Mystery, just talk to some people and see what they say. Majority of the people I talk to haven't bought an album ever since Napster. Others will only buy like 1, once a year while they download 20 others in a month. If you think MP3's have increased sales of GU cd's, for example, then you're living in a fantasy land.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag Yeah, you're right. I'm one of only 6 ppl in the US that listen to trance! Seriously, there is an equal number of tranceheads in the US compared to Europe. You're just going to see a much smaller percentage in any given city or area because the US is so big. Trance was quite popular here during the first big explosion in 1993. I'm sure it got even bigger in 1998. OK, Britney Spears does NOT make 10, much less 5 million dollars a year from record sales. She may make a substantial sum from endorsements and touring, but a very slim portion of her income is from record sales. While Britney (and others) may have record sales that put the dollar amounts into the stratosphere, artists see almost NONE of those dollars. The reason? For every Britney, there are 20+ artists that don't achieve the sales that labels project, so in essence, you have something like the top 5% of artists subsidizing the other 95%. Those top artists raking in the $$$ are the ones that make it financially feasible for labels to sign unknown artist in hopes that 1 out of 100 might make it big and be the next money maker for the company, so that the cycle can continue. The same can also be said for the dance music industry, but in smaler dollar amounts. what good is it to spread it, if it's contributing to the demise of the industry? what if more and more labels collapse and others stop taking risks by signing unknown artists? That's a sure fire way to REDUCE the number of producers making quality tunes... Exactly my point! People are turning to the internet in lieu of dropping by their local stores, hence being a detriment to the industry. I didn't need the internet to find out what trance was. Many others in my area didn't need the internet either. I know it's hard to believe that there was once a time that in order to get music, you had to BUY it... but yes, that's the way it used to work before a new form of theft was invented.

Well I understand ur point! Without mp3 the record sales would be higher that´s for sure..
But I´ve got another argument for you..
What about the students (like me)?! I get 25 Euro from my parents ;(! And I absolutly love trance.. I need new trance tunes every day.. I spend almost all my money for trance (and beer ).. But with 25 Euro a month I can only buy one Double-CD and one Vinyl... And seriously I need to pay my handy and other stuff, too. SO I can might get just one CD.. But I just need Trance to live!! So what you would do?? Buying one CD and listen again, again and again or download some new fresh tunes?! And I spend my money for the tunes I think they deserved it (unknown artrist)...
What´s bad about that?

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Originally posted by T_2199 Well I understand ur point! Without mp3 the record sales would be higher that´s for sure.. But I´ve got another argument for you.. What about the students (like me)?! I get 25 Euro from my parents ;(! And I absolutly love trance.. I need new trance tunes every day.. I spend almost all my money for trance (and beer ).. But with 25 Euro a month I can only buy one Double-CD and one Vinyl... And seriously I need to pay my handy and other stuff, too. SO I can might get just one CD.. But I just need Trance to live!! So what you would do?? Buying one CD and listen again, again and again or download some new fresh tunes?! And I spend my money for the tunes I think they deserved it (unknown artrist)... What´s bad about that?

I understand your plight, as I was right there twelve years ago. I was in high schoool earning minimum wage ($4.25 at the time) working only a few hours a week to pay my bills (cigarettes, gas, auto insurance) and had little to spend on anything else. When I did have money to spend, I often had to look at the all the CD's I wanted, and determine which one or two of the 4 or 5 I would buy that week. Often times, I could come back the next week and get one of the ones I passed on. Sometimes those CD's were gone the next week. Sometimes I found them again later, other times I'd find them used even later (which saved me some $$$!)

As it stands now, I have a pretty substantial CD collection and I can't say I really spend too much time thinking about all the ones I missed over the years.

One point that I learned over the years: get one CD a week or every other, and listen to it over and over. I found that in the instances where I would buy more than once CD a week, I would only listen to the better CD, making the second CD almost a waste!

If you want to talk about extreme, try doing this: I wasn't able to find much of the good trance after 1996, so I was stuck listening to a rotation of pretty much ONLY these CD's for several YEARS:

Sasha & Digweed - Nothern Exposure 2 (Westcoast)
Thomas Michaal - West Coast Vibe
The Mix by David Padilla
DJ Energy - Megatones
Dave Ralph - Tranceport II
Trancesylvania 9
Chris Fortier - Alpha

This was pretty much all I listend to from 1997 to 2000, until a trip to South Beach landed me at a record shop where I picked up Trancemster 22 (I knew the series from buying Trancemaster 4 about 7 years prior.) I liked what I heard, and thru that compa and the subsequent releases of that series, I became familiar with artists like Tiesto, Yahel, MIKE, etc. Thru that, I've managed to find other artists and labels I like, without the need to download mp3's.

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I buy too many cd's....rofl

gu011-15,18,23
nubreed 2,4
lights out 1

plus many others....with the exception of 11 and 15....i've bought the rest in the last 8 months.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I buy too many cd's....rofl gu011-15,18,23 nubreed 2,4 lights out 1 plus many others....with the exception of 11 and 15....i've bought the rest in the last 8 months.

If you downloaded others, I'd say that you probably haven't bought enough!

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Look little boy....you telling me that I download albums....or you trying to say that. I do not download albums, so grow up. Since you have pissed me off....i'll list what i bought in the last 6 months.

Coldcut - Journey's By DJ
forgot to put gu020 in there
WOW - Intensify
Paul Oakenfold - 2 Yrs at Cream
Banco de Gaia - 10 yrs (2 cd)
GU 012
gu013
gu014
gu018
gu023
Nubreed 2
Lights Out 1