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Originally posted by Chookie Yep, sometimes I hear live sets etc that are so good but the cd's released are crap.

A very good point. As a consumer, I love live sets. But how am I able to reimburse the artist? Or who indeed should I be reimbursing?

If I have a liveset from AvB, should I pay him a royalty? Should he then distribute a portion of that royalty to all the artists of the songs he used?

One thing is for certain: It is completely impractical to expect me as a consumer to track down every track in a live set, and purchase it in normal retail channels. Imagine having to purchase 30 albums on CD, containing probably more than 250 songs I didn't actually want, and probably don't mcuh enjoy.

I doubt even a micro-payment model would work here.

What would work? I don't know. Probably some day soon someone will figure that out.

In fact, can anyone tell me what the current licensing requirements are for a DJ playing a public performance?

Are vinyls so expensive because we're purchasing a public performance license for the music?

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someone d'loads alive set -> listens to it @ home -> likes it alot -> when the artists comes to town the person slams down there $40 and see's them -> person d'loads some of there songs - > person likes them and buys their vinyls/cd's etc..


artist gets paid. they ebtter eb careful because they are biting the hand that feeds them .

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^^^ exactly. there's no way in hell i'd have forked out to see armin 3 times in the last 6 months without mp3. and i'd have gone NOWHERE NEAR dumonde when they came out here if those little compressed bundles of digital goodness hadn't sparked my interest.

Buying records is a different matter though -- many (like me) won't buy a cd if they've got the mp3. Those artists who DJ are probably doing better out of this than those who don't.

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Originally posted by Tsunami One someone d'loads alive set -> listens to it @ home -> likes it alot -> when the artists comes to town the person slams down there $40 and see's them -> person d'loads some of there songs - > person likes them and buys their vinyls/cd's etc..

Point well taken

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I'm not sure whether it was on this board or something else, but someone pointed out one thing MP3s have definitely killed off in our little niche genre, is the compilation CD. A few years ago, you want to hear what new tracks are out, you pick up a couple of compilation CDs and have a listen to what's happening.

Don't need to do that anymore -- and you rarely see them around these days (apart from the monoliths like Godskitchen, Ministry, Gatecrasher and Global Underground).

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if airwave is saying most of the money he recieves from his productions goes into buying records and various software and he is therefore not as well off as we percieve, how does he expect the "common folk" to dish out the same amount he does on "legal music", whether he chooses too spend all his cash back into music or not is one thing, but other people dont have that luxuary, which is where mp3 comes in as a powerfull screening tool...

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Stop talking like a robot bragi
j/k

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L-Vee kicks ass one of the best trance producers plus no cheese in his house.
If only they would release more vinyls of his tracks, everytime i go to buy a track of his its out of stock. Im sure if they stocked up on tracks like Green Martian "industry" Airwave "another dimension"(many more) he would get some cash.

I dont hear M.I.K.E and the others calling it quits , has L-Vee lost the love or just trying to get over the down-fall of Bonzai records?

Trance lives on through the soul.

Why doesnt L-Vee just download pirated software off the net to make mp3's, then everyone's happy.

Has Laurent Veronnez ever toured here? A lot of us would pay to see him if he visits our cities.

Original CDs and vinyl records provide the best audio quality, as opposed to MP3 in which quality has been lost due to compression. That is why I buy CDs, even if I have the same tracks in MP3 format. I think I have over 200 CD singles and 100 albums/compilations/mixes.

However I believe $20 for a track is exorbitant. That is why I scour used music stores and frequently pick up treasures for under $4 each. I've found treasures like Push - Strange world, Airwave - I want to believe, Humate - 3, BT - Mercury & solace, Disco citizens - Nagasaki badger, York - The awakening, etc. It's a great feeling to be in possession of great tracks that are in the best possible audio format currently available - CD audio. In some years from now, the best possible format will be DVD audio, and the MP3 format will be considered even more inferior.

If I could get every Fire & ice single for $4 each, I'd buy every one without thinking about it. It's a different story if they are $20 each... I'd be satisfied with the MP3s.

Where does the money go from the money we pay for music sales?
How about from event tickets?
How about from royalties for tracks being used in compilations/mixes like the Gatecrasher series?

How much more can artists get if the middlemen are eliminated?

He should DJ more...he'd make a fucking fortune.

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