hahahahah stupid zionists keep on posting your shit here nobody has time for your ignorance

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Originally posted by Sputnik hahahahah stupid zionists keep on posting your shit here nobody has time for your ignorance

At least they're posting something worthwile reading. Any dimwit can critisize and deny. It takes intelligence to actually debate.

its a waste of time dude
all u do is flame eachother at the end

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stop quoting and insulting others

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hey tranced out, what website did you get those dates from? Great post btw.

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Originally posted by Sputnik stop quoting and insulting others

I wasn't referring to you specifically, I'm merely saying that rather than insulting THEM and saying that they are wasting their time you can reply to what they specifically said and prove that they are wrong.

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Originally posted by melech_mike I'm also happy to see that your back and posting as well! Perhaps you could start by addressing the questions posed in the opening post of this thread! Thanks!

I'm quoting this mainly cos my post is aimed at you....

With all due respect, as someone who's not on either side by nationalty or anything, I do sympathise with Israeli people, to a certain extent, When you have palestinians blowing themselves up on busses and killing innocent people, that IS wrong, but the thing is, the way you bring things up, and try to force your will on others will NOT help your cause one bit, People will see you posting BS and any decent points you may have won't be taken like that, It is shit what is happening, between Arabs & Jews, and it's another religious war, like in Ireland and to an extent what drives muslim extremeists to attack the western civilisations. the point is though, the way you put things across won't help one bit, there are 2 sides to every story so let people make their own minds up sometimes, and please, pack in flaming people for their beliefs, cos imo that makes you just as bad as the arab sucide bombers

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Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan I'm quoting this mainly cos my post is aimed at you.... With all due respect, as someone who's not on either side by nationalty or anything, I do sympathise with Israeli people, to a certain extent, When you have palestinians blowing themselves up on busses and killing innocent people, that IS wrong, but the thing is, the way you bring things up, and try to force your will on others will NOT help your cause one bit, People will see you posting BS and any decent points you may have won't be taken like that, It is shit what is happening, between Arabs & Jews, and it's another religious war, like in Ireland and to an extent what drives muslim extremeists to attack the western civilisations. the point is though, the way you put things across won't help one bit, there are 2 sides to every story so let people make their own minds up sometimes, and please, pack in flaming people for their beliefs, cos imo that makes you just as bad as the arab sucide bombers

I'm not forcing anything on you... you make it sound as if I’m standing over your head, holding a gun. Don’t like what I write setup your account so it ignores my posts - it could be done!

The thing is that I’m very passionate, and proud of Israel. I can list a million reasons for this, but will not bother wasting my time.

You brought up me posting BS; I’d like to know what you found to be "bullshit". Please quote me and respond.

May I ask why I’m the only one you have singled out for flaming.
There are guys in here posting the most ridiculous crap, and say the most ridiculous things, yet you have not posted anything condemning they're actions.

Lastly, and definitely most importantly, you came to compare me to an Arab suicide bomber... words can't even express what would happen to you if you ever gathered the balls to say this to my face. That was the most ignorant, rude, inappropriate comment ever made upon me. I can't explain to you how mindless that was!

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Originally posted by Sputnik its a waste of time dude all u do is flame eachother at the end

At least we save the flaming till the end; you have never posted anything, and decided to start of with flaming!

Does the word moron mean anything to you? (don’t worry; I’m not implying anything )

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dude this argument will go on forever, what ever i will post, you will qucikly dismiss it. and watever you post i will quickly dismiss that. here is something i found over the internet. now you tell me what is right and what is wrong.

"Events immediately before and during the War of Independence and during the first years of independence remain, so far as those events involved the Arab residents of Palestine, matters of bitter and emotional dispute. Palestinian Arab refugees insist that they were driven out of their homeland by Jewish terrorists and regular Jewish military forces; the government of Israel asserts that the invading Arab forces urged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their houses temporarily to avoid the perils of the war that would end the Jewish intrusion into Arab lands. Forty years after the event, advocates of Arabs or Jews continue to present and believe diametrically opposed descriptions of those events."

Of course you r going to believe the Jewish government, and we're going to believe that this is a lie and that they were driven out of their homelands.

"According to British Mandate Authority population figures in 1947, there were about 1.3 million Arabs in all of Palestine. Between 700,000 and 900,000 of the Arabs lived in the region eventually bounded by the 1949 Armistice line, the so-called Green Line. By the time the fighting stopped, there were only about 170,000 Arabs left in the new State of Israel. By the summer of 1949, about 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were living in squalid refugee camps, set up virtually overnight in territories adjacent to Israel's borders. About 300,000 lived in the Gaza Strip, which was occupied by the Egyptian army. Another 450,000 became unwelcome residents of the West Bank of the Jordan, recently occupied by the Arab Legion of Transjordan."

Tell me something dude. If someone came into your house today and took over the basement and slowly started taking over the whole kitchen and then the bedrooms, and u'r left with a closet to live in. How would u feel? Wat would you do? How would u retaliate?

"The institutions of the new state were designed to facilitate the growth of the Jewish nation, which in many instances entailed a perceived infringement upon Arab rights. Thus, Arab land was confiscated to make way for Jewish immigrants, the Hebrew language and Judaism predominated over Arabic and Islam, foreign economic aid poured into the Jewish economy while Arab agriculture and business received only meager assistance, and Israeli security concerns severely restricted the Arabs' freedom of movement."

I know for a certain that you will start deny these facts. give me some of your facts as well. Tell me that this never happened to the Arabs.

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Originally posted by tranced_out dude this argument will go on forever, what ever i will post, you will qucikly dismiss it. and watever you post i will quickly dismiss that. here is something i found over the internet. now you tell me what is right and what is wrong. "Events immediately before and during the War of Independence and during the first years of independence remain, so far as those events involved the Arab residents of Palestine, matters of bitter and emotional dispute. Palestinian Arab refugees insist that they were driven out of their homeland by Jewish terrorists and regular Jewish military forces; the government of Israel asserts that the invading Arab forces urged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their houses temporarily to avoid the perils of the war that would end the Jewish intrusion into Arab lands. Forty years after the event, advocates of Arabs or Jews continue to present and believe diametrically opposed descriptions of those events." Of course you r going to believe the Jewish government, and we're going to believe that this is a lie and that they were driven out of their homelands. "According to British Mandate Authority population figures in 1947, there were about 1.3 million Arabs in all of Palestine. Between 700,000 and 900,000 of the Arabs lived in the region eventually bounded by the 1949 Armistice line, the so-called Green Line. By the time the fighting stopped, there were only about 170,000 Arabs left in the new State of Israel. By the summer of 1949, about 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were living in squalid refugee camps, set up virtually overnight in territories adjacent to Israel's borders. About 300,000 lived in the Gaza Strip, which was occupied by the Egyptian army. Another 450,000 became unwelcome residents of the West Bank of the Jordan, recently occupied by the Arab Legion of Transjordan."

you're numbers are close to mine (although yours seems to be rounded up ) you say 750,000 became refugees, i say more like 650,000 while a report by the UN Mediator on Palestine arrived at an even lower figure of 472,000 [ Progress Rerport of the United Nations Mediator on Palestine, Submitted by the Secratary General for Transmission to the Members of the UN, General Assembly Official Records: Third session, supplement No.11 (A/648), Paris, 1948. ]

Although much is heard about the plight of Palestinian refugees, little is said about the Jews who feld arab states. Their situation had long been precarious. During the 1947 UN debates, arab leaders threatened them. For example. Egypt's delegate told the General Assembly: "The lives of one million Jews in Muslim countries would be jeopardized by partition.

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Tell me something dude. If someone came into your house today and took over the basement and slowly started taking over the whole kitchen and then the bedrooms, and u'r left with a closet to live in. How would u feel? Wat would you do? How would u retaliate?

thats way to simplistic way of looking at it plus its wrong... a more accurate way to look at it is, what if you sold your kitchen and bedroom but all of a sudden there is a deal made to share the bedroom. if you refuse to share the bedroom you have no right to have it back cause you sold it. of course even my example is way to simplistic and doesnt take into account half of what happened.

furthermore Israel's proclomation of Independence, issued May 14, 1948, also invited Palestinians to remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state:

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Israel's proclomation of Independence In the midst of wanton agression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve the ways of peace and play their part in the developement of the State, on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions... We extend our hand in peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and thier peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Jewish nation for the common good of all.

that doesnt sound to me like the arabs were forced to move, does it?

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"The institutions of the new state were designed to facilitate the growth of the Jewish nation, which in many instances entailed a perceived infringement upon Arab rights. Thus, Arab land was confiscated to make way for Jewish immigrants, the Hebrew language and Judaism predominated over Arabic and Islam, foreign economic aid poured into the Jewish economy while Arab agriculture and business received only meager assistance, and Israeli security concerns severely restricted the Arabs' freedom of movement."

between 1922 and 1947 the arab population increased dramatically where large jewish populations had created new economic opprotunities. in that time span the arab population of Haifa grew 290%, 131% for Jerusalem and 158% for Jaffa. to contrast, the growth in arab towns in that time was more modest: 42% in Nablus, 78% in Jenin and 37% in Bethlehem.

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