I agree with the idea and reality that it's a paradox to have trance "mainstream" and "Underground". I think it's a cycle-based thing running over the years. One genre takes the scene, bloats and creates a mix of both good and arguably bad artists (remember there's no such thing as a definite bad artist; everyone's personal preferences in trance artists and any music artist will be different in a genre), then the genre deflates and goes into a more dormant and/or "original" state, with changes to it that can't be ignored, for better or worse. Anyways back to the original line of question and away from the personal attacks: should I have the fate of Trance in my hands, I'd make it more mainstream than it is currently, to a certain point.

Assuming that fate control could last for a while then I'd mainstream it for a few years then have it recess, giving the starting artists a taste for what happens out there when they become mainstream and hold their integrity in check accordingly and change accordingly. We can't always be bent on having trance styles stay a certain way 'cause music is not like that. It's about commonality but not absolute commonality; one can't see this until it goes mainstream and sees what happens.

I know it's a bit vague but I can write on for pages. Let Trance ascend mainstream status and we'll take it accordingly, then have it recede and go back to a starting point and see how it goes.

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id make it as big if not bigger than house.

and just like house - there would be many differnt sounds to trance. So there would be 100 trance nights going on everyweek in my town. (just like there is with house now)

trance wouldnt be the genre where every track sounded exactly the same except for a different melody.

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Originally posted by sshyperion I agree with the idea and reality that it's a paradox to have trance "mainstream" and "Underground". I think it's a cycle-based thing running over the years. One genre takes the scene, bloats and creates a mix of both good and arguably bad artists (remember there's no such thing as a definite bad artist; everyone's personal preferences in trance artists and any music artist will be different in a genre), then the genre deflates and goes into a more dormant and/or "original" state, with changes to it that can't be ignored, for better or worse. Anyways back to the original line of question and away from the personal attacks: should I have the fate of Trance in my hands, I'd make it more mainstream than it is currently, to a certain point. Assuming that fate control could last for a while then I'd mainstream it for a few years then have it recess, giving the starting artists a taste for what happens out there when they become mainstream and hold their integrity in check accordingly and change accordingly. We can't always be bent on having trance styles stay a certain way 'cause music is not like that. It's about commonality but not absolute commonality; one can't see this until it goes mainstream and sees what happens. I know it's a bit vague but I can write on for pages. Let Trance ascend mainstream status and we'll take it accordingly, then have it recede and go back to a starting point and see how it goes.

I agree, but to what point do u think it should go at???!?!? that's the question....

I think it should stay the way it is (to some extent), and just get BIG, WITHOUT all the commericalism coming into it... the only way i could think of doing that, would be to do what i said previously, in like, the first post of mine in this thread.

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Originally posted by Abhay I think it should stay the way it is (to some extent), and just get BIG, WITHOUT all the commericalism coming into it...

Past experiences make me say that impossible. There will always be people smelling money and jumping on it just to make some quick cash. Always.

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Trance has many different forms. My personal favourite, is the type that leans more towards the psytrance side of music, but faster. This to me is my perfect trance, and I'd make the genre 'trance' only suitable for music of that kind. Then I'd move all the existing commercial trance over to something else.

South Africa's trance scene is still very 'underground', which is nice, but it's so bad that there aren't any real clubs that play it. When I speak to people about it, they are so misconcieved about it and they think I'm talking about Gwen Stefanie or whatever. It irritates the f&*k out of me. Trance needs to be globally known for what it REALLY is; it's uniqueness and not what commercial-listeners think it is.

The Prophet - The Word Of God (New Arch Mix) is my trance.

My dislike for trance bumper stickers and ringtones has alot to do with the way EDM is treated in America. Americans love EDM, but they just don't realize it. EDM is in the background of all our commercials, we hear it when we go to the mall and walk by the abercrombie, we hear it behind our tv shows, we hear it everywhere,

except on the radio and at the parties.

It really pisses me off that trance music and most other EDM is considered by most Americans as background music that is not to be paid attention to. Way too much talent is wasted making music that goes into the background of stuff that the typical person just ignores. When someone comes along who has one of those songs on the cd, kid will recognize it but not know where it came from, until somebody chimes in, "hey is that the song from the mitsubishi commercial with the stupid bitch in the pink hat squirming in the passenger seat?"

So my previous rant about eliminating tance from the selection of background material available to marketers was mainly because I think trance music deserves much better, it deserves to be in the places where people go when they want to listen to music and not behind commercials acting as some silly trendy sound that nobody will ever really appreciate. The general masses who see your bumper sticker or hear your ringtone don't deserve to be hearing the music if they are going to just treat it as background material, you should save your need to express yourself for the people who are willing to actually listen to EDM for the joy of it instead of using it as background material, or else your just gonna be the nerdy kid who listens to songs from behind commercials.

Anyway, I would make trance available only at places where people go for the purpose of listening to music, no more of this background music crap.

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Originally posted by Abhay I agree, but to what point do u think it should go at???!?!? that's the question.... I think it should stay the way it is (to some extent), and just get BIG, WITHOUT all the commericalism coming into it... the only way i could think of doing that, would be to do what i said previously, in like, the first post of mine in this thread.

True and that's where we all begin to disagree/agree. I guess it's by noticing the social trends in people's reaction and discussion about the music being played. Sort of like getting a pulse to see how many poseurs are cropping up and how many "real" trance enjoyers are being born. But cudos on noticing that variable

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Originally posted by sshyperion I agree with the idea and reality that it's a paradox to have trance "mainstream" and "Underground". I think it's a cycle-based thing running over the years. One genre takes the scene, bloats and creates a mix of both good and arguably bad artists (remember there's no such thing as a definite bad artist; everyone's personal preferences in trance artists and any music artist will be different in a genre), then the genre deflates and goes into a more dormant and/or "original" state, with changes to it that can't be ignored, for better or worse. Anyways back to the original line of question and away from the personal attacks: should I have the fate of Trance in my hands, I'd make it more mainstream than it is currently, to a certain point. Assuming that fate control could last for a while then I'd mainstream it for a few years then have it recess, giving the starting artists a taste for what happens out there when they become mainstream and hold their integrity in check accordingly and change accordingly. We can't always be bent on having trance styles stay a certain way 'cause music is not like that. It's about commonality but not absolute commonality; one can't see this until it goes mainstream and sees what happens. I know it's a bit vague but I can write on for pages. Let Trance ascend mainstream status and we'll take it accordingly, then have it recede and go back to a starting point and see how it goes.

Ok very good points from all of u guys!But this one i think deserves a reply ,i think
1)Evolution is the key to everything!But trance would never stop evoluting if most good producers didn't leave somehow the trance scene!That type of trance we are talking it was just discontinued!The trance that exists today is something totally different which created a big flow of such trance tracks is not an evolution its a revolution to me(to a worse state of trance)
2)Liking m.i.k.e instead of Taucher ,Solar Stone instead of insigma is different tastes within trance indeed! But liking Ian Van Dahl instead of Airwave ,Lasgo instead of the (old good) tiesto is a differenet thing!Things are getting away,here we are not talking about tastes we are talking about liking something completely different,so some things I believe must get a red line..
3)If u steer it to mainstream ,more and more 'non-relevant with the original trance'producers will enter the scene (due to the more "friendly" to the non-relevant people with original trance) hype it will have ,the perception to what is trance will change due to those producers basicly because of the new ppl those producers will bring to the so called "trance scene",some pure trance producers that still exist today will destroy theirselves to follow the "trend" other will stop other will go to other scenes and trance will transformed to just a name for a music with stupid pop melodies and "cool" electronica elements and things will get worse day by day and will have nothing relevant with what many of us here tend to name trance ...Of course other things will happen too some good some bad i am sure that u will analyse them back to me though I believe the loss of the good producers will harm trance to death
Peace

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i'd bring it back to being darker, northern exposure style

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Originally posted by feidias Ok very good points from all of u guys!But this one i think deserves a reply ,i think 1)Evolution is the key to everything!But trance would never stop evoluting if most good producers didn't leave somehow the trance scene!That type of trance we are talking it was just discontinued!The trance that exists today is something totally different which created a big flow of such trance tracks is not an evolution its a revolution to me(to a worse state of trance) 2)Liking m.i.k.e instead of Taucher ,Solar Stone instead of insigma is different tastes within trance indeed! But liking Ian Van Dahl instead of Airwave ,Lasgo instead of the (old good) tiesto is a differenet thing!Things are getting away,here we are not talking about tastes we are talking about liking something completely different,so some things I believe must get a red line.. 3)If u steer it to mainstream ,more and more 'non-relevant with the original trance'producers will enter the scene (due to the more "friendly" to the non-relevant people with original trance) hype it will have ,the perception to what is trance will change due to those producers basicly because of the new ppl those producers will bring to the so called "trance scene",some pure trance producers that still exist today will destroy theirselves to follow the "trend" other will stop other will go to other scenes and trance will transformed to just a name for a music with stupid pop melodies and "cool" electronica elements and things will get worse day by day and will have nothing relevant with what many of us here tend to name trance ...Of course other things will happen too some good some bad i am sure that u will analyse them back to me though I believe the loss of the good producers will harm trance to death Peace

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Originally posted by flavdave You consider the popularity of trance to be a "serious matter?"

Heh. Word.

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Originally posted by Linden Flowers I would crush trance with a cement truck. Then bury it under the ocean in a block of concrete for 100 years. Then I would have it dug up and shot into space.

*blinks* uuh right?

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Originally posted by sshyperion *blinks* uuh right?

Yes, right.

By the way, your avatar > * - Startrek owns.

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Originally posted by Linden Flowers Yes, right. By the way, your avatar > * - Startrek owns.

thanks it's one of the stock avatars on here . I love Star Trek, TNG in particular but they're all good in the end . Too bad they didn't have Trance music on there. That'd really push Trance out to the trekkies and up the popularity.

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Originally posted by sshyperion but they're all good in the end

Except that new Enterprise rubbish.

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Originally posted by Linden Flowers Except that new Enterprise rubbish.

Yea... kinda dissappointing. I think they cancelled it too. He was the sissiest captain ever... he needs to go back to quantum-leaping or whatever.

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Enterprise was alright once you got past the first season or two but yeah I wasn't too much of a fan of Scott Bakula. Ah well there are some good things about him that I can't think of right now but are there in his favour lol.

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Originally posted by sshyperion Enterprise was alright once you got past the first season or two but yeah I wasn't too much of a fan of Scott Bakula. Ah well there are some good things about him that I can't think of right now but are there in his favour lol.

According to ENT, he makes for a good punching bag, apparently.

PS: DS9 rawks!

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TNG forever! ^_^. If in the next several years they create a new ST series they better put Trance music in there. That's another thing I'd do if I had the fate of Trance in my hands.

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Originally posted by sshyperion TNG forever! ^_^. If in the next several years they create a new ST series they better put Trance music in there. That's another thing I'd do if I had the fate of Trance in my hands.

God. What's horrible. You know someone has already done the

"STAR TREK TECHNO REMIX SONG MUSIC.MP3" I GOT IT OFF KAZAA I'M AWESOME.

I already made something lame like that. I'm sure you'll dig sshyperion.here you go. :P

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Originally posted by sshyperion TNG forever! ^_^. If in the next several years they create a new ST series they better put Trance music in there. That's another thing I'd do if I had the fate of Trance in my hands.

I'm with you on making a new series...however trance, thats the devils music. However I doubt there will be a new series for many years to come. There is a new movie in production, an Enterprise sort of thing...another prequel. :/

What would I change?

Instead of electronics and computers....

I'd devise crazy mechanical, electro-acoustic instruments that produce the lead, chord and rhythm sounds.

They could be taken apart, modified, retuned and reconstructed and would produce ever cooler sounds when you stick coat hangers, wads of kleenex, etc. in them. You'd plug them into a Marshall amp for distortion. Gold pipes would sound better than the plastic ones that are included with the kit, and fat stings would work for techno and thin ones for trance.

They'd be recorded with microphones onto 2-inch analog tape. Several microphones would pick up all the nuances in the room. Every producer would have a unique sound just by doing things the "wrong" way or by fluke.

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forget the "if's" and "f's" there no fuckin' way a human being will ever be in control of the fate of trance.period.

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Originally posted by DJFreaq God. What's horrible. You know someone has already done the "STAR TREK TECHNO REMIX SONG MUSIC.MP3" I GOT IT OFF KAZAA I'M AWESOME. I already made something lame like that. I'm sure you'll dig sshyperion.here you go. :P

1) I don't use Kazaa
2) I don't use P2P file sharing short of BitTorrent
3) I avoid people like that
4) I'm not like that. If you've ever inspected any of my earlier posts you'll see I'm not some sugar-freak Trance poseur .
5) a Star Trek series can have a kickass trance thing going if they hire the right people. Although the chances of that happening aren't likely in reality.

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Originally posted by Fire999 forget the "if's" and "f's" there no fuckin' way a human being will ever be in control of the fate of trance.period.

It's a hypothetical question/scenario; it wasn't meant to be literal.

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IMO, there's only 3 big "groups" left in the Trance-scene:
-Hardstyle
-BreakTrance
-Epic/pop (that includes Crazy Frog)

-Progressive Trance is dead 2 you tards, that has all changed into Progressive House by now.
-Psy seemed to be promising, but it's just too unlistenable to attrack large groups and inspire new producers enough.
-An attempt to bring back the ol' acid days would be unable due to the lack of interest of the 'anthem'-generation. Maybe it's possible to add more acid to the breaktrance-scene, though

There probably is NO suitable alternative to attrack the mainstraim effectively... Perhaps Trance is dead, to be continued into endless AXEL F-covers and the german cheese sound.

I'll give it one last chance on breaks

that's all fine and dandy but still doesn't really answer the thread's primary question: what would you do if you had the Fate of Trance in your hands? 'cause you know it's soooo nice to read about how we're all tards and that certain genres of trance are gone.

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Originally posted by sshyperion 'cause you know it's soooo nice to read about how we're all tards and that certain genres of trance are gone.

agreed. my biggest problem with human's today? not the looters in new orleans, or the terrorists, or the corporate slobs, or our white house administration.

music-elitists!

not saying you are websley . but if there's one kind of human being that really makes me want to commit murder. it's those folks.

They're probably better at hating music, than they are at liking it. They've never heard of an open mind, etc. And there's these kind of people everywhere! The indie-rock/emo-fags are JUST AS BAD imo as some of the dweebs on TA.

But yea. Fate of trance. Once again. Less Tiesto, more underground, AND ENOUGH WITH THE "200X Edition's" of tracks! OMFG seriously. 2005 has been quite the dry year for original productions! I don't follow the house scene too closely, so I don't know how they're doing, but as trance is concerned it's been kinda lame.

Anyway.

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i would make it so that everyone liked a lot of different styles and trance and went to see djs for the music they place rather than their name. also, make it generally more popular again, not voerly popular, just enough so nights werent closing left right and centre.

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Less fags who bitch about what other people want to listen to. More people who are looking for a good time rather than some background music to get drunk to.

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Originally posted by Elroy79 Less fags who bitch about what other people want to listen to. More people who are looking for a good time rather than some background music to get drunk to.

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Originally posted by DJFreaq I don't follow the house scene too closely, so I don't know how they're doing, but as trance is concerned it's been kinda lame. Anyway.

eh you're not missing much. it relates a bit more to the people who get drunk/stoned/acid-tripped/etc. and need some bgm these days. the queer club scene in toronto still has a strong house presence and it's really crappy imo; why do I say that? Because it sounds too much like the exact same stuff, plus *some* of the DJs hired play rehashed house favourites much like favourites being rehashed and replayed to a painful level of dipleasure. I've found house scene also is a bit more on the dance music flavouring which isn't too bad. still, doesn't beat good trance. as for Tiesto I agree the genre shouldn't be always referred back to him. For now he's the hot shit but remember what I posted a while back about? They can raise the genre but at the cost of soon being less fresh and drawing in the poseurs.

boo music-elitists . /end (semi) random

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Originally posted by Aquarian the chart-topping tunes are full of crap

Much agreed mate. top 40 charts are horrible to listen to... if i remember rightly some EDM music beat some pop acts to the number 1 spot in the UK.. radio 1 on sunday evening.. it think i remember Delerium - Silence becoming No1 and stayed there for a couple of weeks or a week.. im not sure..

If i had the fate of trance id show people its true beauty and eductate mainstreamers that trance is not rip off un talented half wits like Dj Sammy or Special D ( Special D wat a fucking name ) and show them the reality of this beautiful genre and get as many people hooked as possible without arsehole labels and fuckwits trying 2 make a quick few £££ out of it for his/hers own stash

Trance is a awesome and inspiring form of music that no other genre can replicate in any way

LONG LIVE TRANCE

Peace

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:') you speak to my heart sir. many blessings to you.

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same here. And what the hell is up with these so-called "DJs" with the letter D at the end of their names?! DJ Danny D DJ Marky D. I'm sorry folks that doesn't make you any better. If anything it shows your inability to mix properly and be creative in your names, further ruining our lovely music .

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I would kill tiesto and rape his girlfriend (what? she's hot
Now )
I'd move 50 cents to produce trance
Now for real...
I'd slap tiesto, armin, pvd, sasha, digweed and the rest and tell them to wake up cuz they are just ruining everything up.
I'd prefer them to start doing better and less comirialized stuff but if they just can't do it then quit.
They can still dj or produce, just don't call it trance.
It's not.
I'd pay DJ Sammy to rape paul oakenfold's ass if he won't stop releasing shit.
I'd ban drugs from the scene (If the drugies here will start flaming me it will be fun
), I think it only does bad to pepole and to the image of the scene itself.

Just my 2 cents,
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Originally posted by Zombie0915 My dislike for trance bumper stickers and ringtones has alot to do with the way EDM is treated in America. Americans love EDM, but they just don't realize it. EDM is in the background of all our commercials, we hear it when we go to the mall and walk by the abercrombie, we hear it behind our tv shows, we hear it everywhere, except on the radio and at the parties. It really pisses me off that trance music and most other EDM is considered by most Americans as background music that is not to be paid attention to. Way too much talent is wasted making music that goes into the background of stuff that the typical person just ignores. When someone comes along who has one of those songs on the cd, kid will recognize it but not know where it came from, until somebody chimes in, "hey is that the song from the mitsubishi commercial with the stupid bitch in the pink hat squirming in the passenger seat?" So my previous rant about eliminating tance from the selection of background material available to marketers was mainly because I think trance music deserves much better, it deserves to be in the places where people go when they want to listen to music and not behind commercials acting as some silly trendy sound that nobody will ever really appreciate. The general masses who see your bumper sticker or hear your ringtone don't deserve to be hearing the music if they are going to just treat it as background material, you should save your need to express yourself for the people who are willing to actually listen to EDM for the joy of it instead of using it as background material, or else your just gonna be the nerdy kid who listens to songs from behind commercials. Anyway, I would make trance available only at places where people go for the purpose of listening to music, no more of this background music crap.

Imo everyone should like those stickers.
You see a sticker on a car and then a hot chick approches and opens the car's door.
Just for the chance of hitting with her, you should like it
The first line will be "OMG you listen to trance?" and here we go.
You got yourself a date, or atleast a one night stand :P

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