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Originally posted by geroin Also I do not think that I'm better than anyone else just because I don't do drugs. What i do think though is that people that do attend events on a regular basis without doing any sorts of drugs do love and appreciate the music A LOT to close their eyes and avoid sketchiness that surrounds them in the club at all times and still have a damn good time. It is hard to stay true to what you believe in when you're pretty much surrounded by at least 80% of partiers who are always high. I'm not very bothered by people who do shit in clubs or else i would not attend them but what saddens me the most is that it feels like more and more people are in on it just to get high and not entirely for the music which is a shame.

hmm.. one thing.. the 80 % of partiers u were referrin to only got in the scene in the first place for the love of music and ONLY for the love of music, not the scene, not the crowd, just that.. they were not born poppin E.. they enjoy the music just as much as u do.. but then Mr. E came along and made the music that much better, along with other perks as well.. thus, just coz u don't involve E in ur party life doesn't mean u r entitled to enjoyin the music more than they do, or in other words, doesn't give u the right to say that u r a bigger music fan than they are..

if anything, its the opposite.. those WILLINGLY and AWARELY risking their bodies by ingestin' chemicals they don't even know just for the love of MUSIC, every little tiny aspect of it.. its different, u will never see music the same once u've met Mr. E...IMO, if u r willin to hurt ur body for the music, it is utterly rational to say that they r the bigger fans..

I AM NOT SPONSORING IT EITHER.. this has been said too many times before, but i'll say it again.. MODERATION IS THE KEY.. in the end, my point is, don't JUDGE the 'sketchbag' (as u would quote) dancin beside you just coz he went on a marathon of E and u r there sober.. u know nothin' about him or the reason he popped .. in general, don't JUDGE people that do drugs, u know nothin about them or their life, wat they've been through, or y they act in a certain way ..just enjoy the reason u r there in the 1st place.. the MUSIC..

cheers!

ps: some other dude said somEthin about E heads being oblivious when it comes down to their drugs.. PEOPLE THAT DO DRUGS ARE MORE AWARE THAN U THINK.. just coz they dont give a fuk about it doesnt mean they r not AWARE ..

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Originally posted by bluntBoy hmm.. one thing.. the 80 % of partiers u were referrin to only got in the scene in the first place for the love of music and ONLY for the love of music, not the scene, not the crowd, just that.. they were not born poppin E.. they enjoy the music just as much as u do.. but then Mr. E came along and made the music that much better, along with other perks as well.. thus, just coz u don't involve E in ur party life doesn't mean u r entitled to enjoyin the music more than they do, or in other words, doesn't give u the right to say that u r a bigger music fan than they are.. if anything, its the opposite.. those WILLINGLY and AWARELY risking their bodies by ingestin' chemicals they don't even know just for the love of MUSIC, every little tiny aspect of it.. its different, u will never see music the same once u've met Mr. E...IMO, if u r willin to hurt ur body for the music, it is utterly rational to say that they r the bigger fans.. I AM NOT SPONSORING IT EITHER.. this has been said too many times before, but i'll say it again.. MODERATION IS THE KEY.. in the end, my point is, don't JUDGE the 'sketchbag' (as u would quote) dancin beside you just coz he went on a marathon of E and u r there sober.. u know nothin' about him or the reason he popped .. in general, don't JUDGE people that do drugs, u know nothin about them or their life, wat they've been through, or y they act in a certain way ..just enjoy the reason u r there in the 1st place.. the MUSIC.. cheers! ps: some other dude said somEthin about E heads being oblivious when it comes down to their drugs.. PEOPLE THAT DO DRUGS ARE MORE AWARE THAN U THINK.. just coz they dont give a fuk about it doesnt mean they r not AWARE ..

Very well said....this thread should be closed as the above is probably the best thing said or that will be said in this thread.

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Originally posted by Skipper I love montreal

Come visit!!!

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Originally posted by SummerWolf

lol post more stories, this is pure gold.

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Originally posted by zokissima lol post more stories, this is pure gold.

well honestly... stories like that i can go on for days and days...

although i am posting most of the good ones, i have stories such as me being in a house party where i didnt know anybody and that girl comes up to me and ask me if i got pills and i gave her my last 2 since i was falling asleep. What i didnt know is the people in the house gave her a lot of GHB. Well i woke up the next day and i went home... didnt know what happened that night.

6 months later i was partying in my appartement and the same girl was there. Me being too high i didnt really recognize her until we talked and were able to remmeber that night. She then told me that after popping the 2 Es, she drank a little bit and half passed out... she got gang raped... while i was sleeping downstairs.

That kinda freaked me out a shitload... i was feeling super guilty... that night i almost ODed..... i was so... feeling like shit (consider i was on coke and a few Es) that i pulled out a gram of K and did it all one shot... collapsed on the floor for 2 hours... couldnt talk... neither move... then when i came back to normal 2 hours later i couldnt walk , was kinda paralyzed from waist to toes.... took me about few days to come back to normal.. that night i railed some coke, did some freebase (smoking not injecting), a shitload of E and K... that was actually then that i decided to stop taking drugs all together...

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I know from my own experience...the music came before the drugs....the drugs became a part of the music....I know, the first time I did e I felt like I was one with the music....it seemed like I had a new appreciation for the music.....and that feeling has stayed with me even when I am just listening to tunes in the house.....certain bass lines just give me goose bumps and the shivers.

You're welcome

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by jon jon lol forget the clubs even, try EVERYWHERE! Business meetings, laywer's offices, hospital staff. EVERYWHERE.

This man tells the truth... I've been given way more narcotics at marketing functions, seminars, meetings, lunches, golf games, etc. by business associates then I have at parties by friends.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

geroin, I don't even want to imagine what EDM and the whole scene in general would look like if it weren't for drugs and their respective drug users. You can look down on drug users all you want, but they're the ones who got the scene to where it is today, and the ones who keep it going after all these years.

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Originally posted by Chris Allen Who are you to say that me being sober at a party is wrong? I would take being sober and partying over doing drugs any day. The fact that it's comical is the fact that instead of enjoying the music, you end up spending your time trying to defend your drug use writing paragraph over paragraph (in yellow to make a point nonetheless). You can lead quite a constructive life, sure. But I can lead a life just as constructive and productive without the use of any illicit drugs, so I defend my decision, and I will continue to do so. And people like me, don't have a problem defending their decision to party sober. Thanks.

By getting defensive and angry for no reason, you have revealed your weakness in reading comprehension. Where did I attack your decision to party sober?

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Oh no! Heaven forbid someone has a condescending tone towards something illegal and possibly dangerous! You may be the majority in a board related to dance music or any sort of music in general, but you're far from a majority of society in your argument. Edit: I just want to add one more thing. I am not against people using drugs for recreation, abuse, or addiction. You have every right to ruin your lives, kill yourself, or change your orientation on the type of enjoyment you have in an evening (which ever order your chose is up to you). However, when you try to tell me that I may be doing something wrong to defend the fact that I do not use any drugs and continue to practice a clean lifestyle: I don't agree with you. Hence my responses to your overbearing and also equally condescending posts.

My tone was not condescending. It was defensive due to your condescending tone in your previous posts.

Maybe you should take a deep breath and count to 10 before reply to something that I post, because you obviously get so riled up by what I say, that you fail to understand the points I'm trying to convey.

Oh, and I'm deeply hurt by the fact that you pointed out that my font is in yellow.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Oh, and I'm deeply hurt by the fact that you pointed out that my font is in yellow.

your font is the same color as my pee.........

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Originally posted by geroin drugs have fuck all to do with the vibe, in my opinion the vibe is created by the people attending the event, the location and the music that the dj is playing. Like i said if an event was taking place at sonic and drugs were not present the vibe would be absolutely the same. Yes the club would be 50% less full and patrons would not stay as long but it would be the exact same thing.

Sorry man, but I completely disagree with this. Why do you think people are more friendly and open for discussion at afterhours/raves than regular bars? Because MDMA makes gives you feelings of empathy and acceptance. Why do you think people dance so much, for long periods of time, usually not really caring what they look like when they dance? Because E lowers inhibitions and contains amphetamines that increase your energy and stamina. These are just a few examples.

Also, you keep citing points like this

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At no point i generalized and said that all drug users have no appreciation for the music. What i did say was that most not all do it solely for the purpose to get fucked up. I'm sure those that do drugs and really appreciate the music would still attend events if drugs did not exist in the first place but the percentage of these people is very small, i would say probably about 50% of the scene would be gone which in my opinion which is a huge number.

How did you come up with this? This is based purely on your speculation. You don't really have any basis for making an estimation like this. As a matter of fact, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to make any estimation of this nature.

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Originally posted by zokissima Personally, I can respect your choice, and in some way even admire it. It is a choice of will to be active and healthy. However, I have one problem with the [ideas presented]. There is an undeniably strong undertone to... the posts stating that [one enjoys] parties on a more pure, if you will, level. That you are more righteous, and have a right to it, that you appreciate the music solely for the music, and that somehow it entitles you to a greater title than those taking drugs. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with you disagreeing with drug use, but generalizing and demeaning the types of experiences and personalities associated with drug use is a flawed argument IMO. In many instances I'll even be inclined to agree with you, in that a lot of drug users don't fully understand their positions, but at the same time, some benefit of the doubt should be given to them, that not all drug users are as oblivious as you seem to think.

This edited quote is basically the point I am trying to make in this thread.