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MarkT
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quote:
Originally posted by slingshot
Hump and Quincy Douby are out for Antoine Wright and Deavan George...looks like AP is on his way to Cleveland as well.

Shit, we're are going to have such a different looking team next year. If I remember correctly...we still retain a mid-level exception and that's the main reason why we did a sign and trade with Marion? If Marion would have signed as a FA we would have lost that? Am I correct here?


I think the Raps have the mid-level exception regardless. My guess is they go after a PG now with some/all of it?

The issue was losing Marion for nothing and needing to work under the cap to fill the holes on the bench.

this is my understanding of how this sign and trade would benefit everyone (after spending WAY too much time reading about the nuances of the CBA, which is just fucked):

Raps
- don't lose Marion for nothing. they get George and Wright.
- gain some cap room now and next year. Humphries has this year + a player option @ 3.2 mil each year (and he would have exercised that option, most likely). that's now gone. so is Douby's 855k this year. that allowed them to take George and Wright (since being at the cap once Turkoglu signs wouldn't let them sign anyone to fill the bench), but their contracts are up after this year, so that's cap room for next year.

Dallas:
- didn't have the cap room sign Marion as an unrestricted a free agent, plus they would risk losing him to another team.
- George and Wright's contracts (1.6 and 2.1 mil) are gone as is Stackhouse's 7 (though only 2 was guaranteed, i.e. he could be bought out). So they shed 11 mil, which lets them take on the contracts of Marion, Humphries and (unfortunately) Buckner. Buckner's shit contract was part of the price of getting this done for Dallas.

Grizzlies:
- ditch Buckner's bad contract which is 4 mil this year, with a player option for 4.27 next year that he would surely have exercised.
- if they get "Stackhouse, Douby and cash"...Douby only makes 855k in this last year of his contract. Stackhouse, as mentioned, makes 7+mil this year, but only 2 mil is guaranteed. So they can keep him or buy him out for 2 mil., but free up 7 mil in cap room (I think that's how that works). either way, he's off the books by next year.
- they have the most cap room in the league right right now and will be positioned *really* well to lure in big names this year and/or especially next year (and resign there own guys at some point)

Marion:
- gets the contract he wants, because no team who actually wants him has the cap room to give him 8 mil/year. the sign-and-trade also requires a contract of at least 3 yrs. He was otherwise facing settling for the mid-level exception somewhere and might have only got that for a year or two. that would have been a nasty hit to the wallet (and his ego).

If anyone sees holes...please, point them out.

The rules and exceptions under the CBA are just ridiculous. I think you need a team of lawyers and accountants to even begin to *really* understand it, haha.

edit: so now the talk is that Turkoglu will also be done under a sign-and-trade, with Orlando getting a trade exception in the deal. I don't get how this all has the Raptors UNDER the cap, as they now apparently have room to sign another player? unless that's not right and they are referring to the mid-level exception?

so maybe Delfino and Rasho coming back...

Last edited by MarkT on Jul-09-2009 at 14:21

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actually mark ur right

bargs and danny granger are statistical anomalies, they both shoot 3PTs and block shots... they are freaks of nature

but i doubt there are ppl who fear bargs like some ppl do with artest, dwight or bowen


don't forget Rasheeeeeed! another fantasy gem in the 1-1-1 club of threes-blocks-steals. Very rare. Marion was in the group for quite a few years too.

but yeah...I don't think Bargs is intimidating anyone with his D, lol.

it's exciting to see the team coming together, even if there remain significant holes. The offense should be quite a show.

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Mark my words: Bargs will win defensive player of the year for next season lololol

Anywho; although he can block shots he really won't be dominating the paint the way a centre should to keep those pesky 2-guards from waltzing in and dunking. That's one thing I loved about JO. He was a beast under the basket. Bargnani should've been taking notes last season.

And am I the only one that DOES NOT want to see Delfino back on the Raptors? The guy freaking sucks for crying out loud. Another pure volume shooter without much else to offer. Last thing we need on this team.

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doug smith seems to think they're gunna bring Rasho back.

I say they go all out and use 3.5-4.0mil on Klieza with the rest going to a back up pg and maybe a min. salary player or two.

Klieza and Reggie Evans coming off the bench would no doubt give us some of the grit we've been lacking these last couple of years.


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I've seen articles stating that Cleveland is going after Kleiza. I doubt he'd pick T.O over The Lebron Show, but anything is possible I guess.

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Update:
bye bye Nate.

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The Orlando Magic have acquired a trade exception and cash considerations from the Toronto Raptors, and cash considerations from the Dallas Mavericks as part of a four-team trade, General Manager Otis Smith announced today. As part of a sign-and-trade deal, forward Hedo Turkoglu was traded to Toronto. “This move allows us some potential flexibility in the future,” said Smith. “Hedo was a big part of our success and did a lot for our organization during his five seasons here. We wish him and his family nothing but the best.” Also included as parts of the deal - Toronto sends Shawn Marion, Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai and cash considerations to Dallas, while also sending a future second round draft pick to Memphis ; Memphis sends Greg Buckner to Dallas; Dallas sends Jerry Stackhouse and cash considerations to Memphis, while also sending Devean George and Antoine Wright to Toronto.

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I've seen articles stating that Cleveland is going after Kleiza. I doubt he'd pick T.O over The Lebron Show, but anything is possible I guess.


Wouldn't the signing of AP render that need met?


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Wouldn't the signing of AP render that need met?


Well Parker is an SG and Kleiza is an SF/PF so I doubt it. Unless they're just looking for some reliable 3 point shooting (and not chokers like West and Williams).

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I think Kleiza is more a SF than SG, given his size. Parker will either start or backup Delonte, I assume? Cavs seem intent on moving Wally, so I guess the outcome of that will determine if they still pursue Kleiza.

I'm guessing the Raps won't go after Kleiza with Wright and George on board. With both Humphries and Jawai gone, the rumour that the Raps are trying to bring Rasho back seems much more likely (good move too).

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I'm guessing the Raps won't go after Kleiza with Wright and George on board. With both Humphries and Jawai gone, the rumour that the Raps are trying to bring Rasho back seems much more likely (good move too).
god knows Raps need all the rebounding, and other than Bosh, Nesterovic has been Raps most consistent rebounder when he was here in ages


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Offers to Delfino and Pops have been rescinded as per Colangelo's comments (MP3)

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that's 2 days old though...before they gained a more flexibility with the big 4 team deal. either/both could still come back.

they still have the mid-level exception too. someone pointed out that George and/or Wright could yet be traded, since they have expiring contracts.

anyone know if the Raps exercised the team option on O'Bryant yet or is that still TBD? As of now, he's the only backup to Bargnani, so we have to assume they're targeting a C.

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