Hey djlithium. I agree with you and like your attitude, but unfortunately the death of vinyl is inevitable unless something out of the blue happens.
Its just far more economical. Yeah, laptop djing is not good, but CD is ok, its almost the same as vinyl, but you get your tunes far cheaper and quicker.
Labels can set up and run at low risk and low cost. Thats the way its going, like it or not.
But I agree, I hope that it doesn't get silly and its all laptop sets or worse???
I wouldn't mind if they were providing something out of the ordinary, but its a bit of a blag i think.
Although being able to carry thousands of tunes with you on a laptop instead of carrying record bags is obviously good.

See its the formula of "low cost low risk" which has created an environment where quantity is now preferred in the hit and miss system instead of quality.
That's IS THE PART THAT IS KILLING IT.

And hello... CD DJ decks have been around for 15+ years. I heard the statements from "club jocks" that vinyl was going to be dead in 3 years back then. But that's not what I am talking about here. I am talking about the DEATH of dance music as we know it - in otherwords being good. Not being commercial, or disposible pop.

Low risk!? Killing the scene, the music and its entire cultural foundations through digital releases(and the destruction that causes down the line) is low risk?? Ah... no.
Low cost??? Vinyl hasn't exactly gone up in price much in 8 years. The price we will collectively pay in simple terms for what it will mean for damage done just so that some fuck head can bring 10,000 songs with him to a show or so geeks with only mommy to supply them with money can afford to "dj" will be a fuck of a lot higher.

Thank you for your support of vinyl. The most important Key factor in the sustainability and stability of Dance Music Culture.

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"Originally posted by Marc Summers
I Like vinyl. If I am not mistaken, there is no beat matching with CD's?

Where is the fun, and skill?

With vinyls, if your not good at beat matching, you are always working, listening and concentrating, making sure your getting everythign matched.

And with cd's, what is there to do, besides mix? It's not respectable, in my opinion.




Yeah, cds just magically change their pitch and cue points and actually judge when the best time to drop the next track in is. Its amazing to watch. You just slot the little critters into the drives and awaaaay they go. No need for beatmatching or listening as such. I mean at first I though it was just a little man inside there doing all the mixing for me, and then I realised...

I was smoking crack... "

(quote by Axolotyl)

funniest shit i've ever heard ~ fo real! lol

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Originally posted by Kev Boy Hey djlithium. I agree with you and like your attitude, but unfortunately the death of vinyl is inevitable unless something out of the blue happens. Its just far more economical. Yeah, laptop djing is not good, but CD is ok, its almost the same as vinyl, but you get your tunes far cheaper and quicker. Labels can set up and run at low risk and low cost. Thats the way its going, like it or not. But I agree, I hope that it doesn't get silly and its all laptop sets or worse??? I wouldn't mind if they were providing something out of the ordinary, but its a bit of a blag i think. Although being able to carry thousands of tunes with you on a laptop instead of carrying record bags is obviously good.

Yeah well considering what some of these assholes charge, I think its the least they can do to show up with 50-100 records. When I go out and play I generally bring 60 with me and that's way more than I need really but that number gives me a lot of flexibility in a set. Of course that comes with knowing your tunes and picking them before you head out the door for a general idea of what you want to play. Sure, crowds might want something different than exactly what you might intend on spinning track for track but I don't understand the logic in having to bring much more than what a standard issue record bag can pack for a 2 1/2 hour set. After that, I bring a box and maybe my bag with another 10-20 tracks and frankly I don't push more than 12-14 records an hour and I have been known to go at a pretty good clip at times once I lock an audience in. So sure, 10,000 songs may be good, but only if you have zero confidence in your ability to drive a crowd in the direction you want them to go and experience your vision for what the dance floor needs. It's not always about what "the crowd wants to hear" you know. A lot of the time the crowd wants a suprise and if you know that once you get up there and have spun out of the last guys tune, you can set them up for that and then spring into action. Once you have them locked and loaded you can fire them off in any direction YOU want and that is what DJing is about. You are up there after all for a reason with everyone looking to you. Not just at you. I think people forget that sometimes and fall into the trap of "trying to please everyone all of the time" in which case no one is happy. I find this to be the case with digital Djs who then run scatter brained when they lose a crowds interest and start mixing faster between tracks and slop it together - even more poorly - trying to mix their way out of trap. From there on in you might as well be listening to chris sheppard as they are tempted more and more to slap in a real DJs mixed compilation set and hope no one notices. That kind of shit should be considered TREASON. And the penalty should be as severe.

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Ha ha mate, you make me laugh! But its cool that you are taking it so serious, and standing up for wha you believe in.
Again, I agree with you, taking 10,000 is pointless, as most big DJs when touring play more or less the same set anyway. I've read here, that Sasah plays the same set mostly, and this is Mr Ableton! I thought the point of ableton was for creativity???
Its the same with mix CDs, I love listening to a mix where you know that the DJ has mixed it live and sometimes the mixing isn't 100% perfect everytime. I listened to my Space 2001 mix live from the terrace and it was wicked, and the original Cream Live CD with Graeme Park, and Pete Tong, quality. Who cares if th emixing isn't excatly perfct

I use a laptop and don't use CDs or vinyl other than as the initial source and for backup. I don't want the hassle of dealing with hundreds or thousands of records or CDs. And I have much more information about my tracks available to me than if I were to write notes on the records, CDs, or their covers.

People who use vinyl or even CDs have no monopoly on doing a good DJ set. Everyone has heard very crappy and boring sets done by people using any music source you can name. It's also true that a good set can be done with vinyl, CDs, or computer.

It's not about the medium, it's about the music and the feeling that can be made from the music.

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Originally posted by DJ_FRAZ there is no comparison, vinyl rules and cd's are cack. nuff said. theres many arguments both ways. and as for cd's being cheaper... i wouldn't say so. Initially the hardware is going to cost you a LOT compared to normal turntables. The new pioneer cdj series are like twice as much if not more than a decentish turntable. then you've got the cd's to buy. if your buying singles on cd, its gonna cost like £3.99 - the same price as a commercially released vinyl. there is however a more vast array of releases, including white labels and the like. You can download white label rips off the net and burn them to cd, but your risking loss of quality, and also burning mp3 to cd and using it in a club is illegal is it not? I am forever vinyl

I agree that vinyl rocks cds. But technology changes...
I know a lot of us are emotionally and financially invested in vinyl but the truth is, if you want the up to date selection and then you buy cds. With vinyl you have to order the tracks you want, granted they aren't sold out, then you have to wait for at least a week to have them shipped to you. With cds, you rip, burn and you're on your way. Clubs WILL let you spin burned cds, you just aren't aloud to sell that set - plus who do you think will really go up to the dj of the night and say "Excuse me, I need to inspect your goods". I don't know about where anyone else is from, but in the majority of North America, DJs walk in and out like it's no ones business people aren't going to inspect anything of theirs. Cds are lighter and are easy to recover if theye get scratched. Not to mention easier to manipulate with a smaller margin or error. Cds are the most practical way to go.
Having said that. Vinyl will ALWAYS be there. Vinyl is mysterious and the crowd loves it more than anything else. There's something about vinyl that just makes music sound so much better and this is clear to even those you know nothing about EDC. It sounds better it looks better and it's a hell of a lot more fun to spin.
So I guess I'm saying that you need both. Throw in another couple grand and invest in CDJs and start that selection going. With the 2 mediums youre unbeatable.
Cheers,
Jessie

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Originally posted by missbliss Clubs WILL let you spin burned cds, you just aren't aloud to sell that set - plus who do you think will really go up to the dj of the night and say "Excuse me, I need to inspect your goods".

- They dont wait until the end of the night- they can and DO do it during the night. I am sure you will have a body wherever you are that works the same as the PRS/PPL/MCPS in the uk- and they have the legal right (as every club has to obtain a performance licence from them to play music) to come and inspect. This is fact. No getting around it.
They dont have to ask either.

Miss bliss, CD's do not cost £3.99!! If you use a site like Beatport then about 80p-£1 per track at good quality.
And vinyl doesn't sound better than CD, another myth. Most clubs systems are set up for vinyl, so if you put a CD on that system ,then yes vinyl will sound better, but get it set up for CD then ther is NO comparison, CD will sound better evey time.
Vinyl record is dated technology, the needle rocking in a groove, no very subtle and hence the needle has to be stable and therefore you lose quality. No such problem with CD.
And Greak is right. The PRS can check anytime and bust your ass! Career over! Maybe your house too!
There is quite often someone standing next to the DJ at a big club noting EVERY tune they play, thats so the royalties got to the correct people. But they can quite easily be nasty and raid you. Its happened alot.

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Originally posted by Kev Boy Miss bliss, CD's do not cost £3.99!! If you use a site like Beatport then about 80p-£1 per track at good quality. And vinyl doesn't sound better than CD, another myth. Most clubs systems are set up for vinyl, so if you put a CD on that system ,then yes vinyl will sound better, but get it set up for CD then ther is NO comparison, CD will sound better evey time. Vinyl record is dated technology, the needle rocking in a groove, no very subtle and hence the needle has to be stable and therefore you lose quality. No such problem with CD. And Greak is right. The PRS can check anytime and bust your ass! Career over! Maybe your house too! There is quite often someone standing next to the DJ at a big club noting EVERY tune they play, thats so the royalties got to the correct people. But they can quite easily be nasty and raid you. Its happened alot.

..never said cds cost 3.99
and I've been dj'n for many years, been in the booth for Mauro Picotto, Andy Moor, Max Graham but I've never seen that done to anyone. I'm not saying that doesn't happen anywhere, I'm just saying it doesn't happen in Canada and probably the whole of North America - it's much different.

oops, sorry Miss Bliss, didn't realise it was dj Fraz who said about 3.99 for a CD!
The PRS people have took everything from some people. no superstar DJs but some supposedly big ones, don't know the names, but one was definitely Australian. it was in Music Week (a weekly music journal). But its only if they have dodgy CDs, I mean downloaded illegaly then burned then played out, with thousands stored on their hardrive. if you download legally then no problemo! So no big DJs will ever be done. The only other thing they do is collect royalties so someone may log a tracklisting, or the venue has to pay an annual license, so the producers, labels etc get paid!

Actually the whole industry is up in arms about how to deal with MP3s at the moment. I don't know if you saw Freak's post a while back.

The PPL in the UK don't consider it legal to play purchased MP3s in a club but they just don't know how to tackle it.

To me it sounds like they are using it as an oportunity to make more money out of people who are under the belief that they are obeying the law and supporting the artists.

I'm just itching for a PPL guy to approach me about a burned CD with my own stuff on it. I just really want to tear into them bigstyle about the whole thing.
In the big scheme of things it's not the DJ industry that are the biggest offenders when it comes to pirated music but we are the easiest target as we gather at set places.

Cheers
Nem

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