It's a key lift not a harmoninc. Nothing wrong with it but you can't play those two choons at the same time and have it sound good.

Cheers
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man is this monster thread still going!!!!

Yup it still lives, although these days it tends to be people asking the same questions that were asked originally. Although that's not a problem. Actually is quite cool to see so many have embraced the idea.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 It's a key lift not a harmoninc. Nothing wrong with it but you can't play those two choons at the same time and have it sound good. Cheers Nem

ahhhh, cheers mate

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Actually is quite cool to see so many have embraced the idea.

well, you made the idea sound so important! and looking back on the last 12 months of gaining key experience, id say youre right. even my bad mixes sound a lot better now

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my mixing wouldnt be the same without the great advice from this thread :-)

this thread will never die!!! lol--i hope everybody has improved their mixing from these discussions :-)

i wanted to let you all know i've continued my work on [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
, and it has come a long way. in fact, you can now add and edit song information over the web--so for those of you who don't use the software but want to contribute you can. there have been over 400 users and more than 140,000 songs submitted already with key and bpm information! so if you haven't check it out come join, if you like this thread you're guaranteed to find it useful...

I went to mixshare.com and the site is awesome. I have a question though i downloaded that program you guys have for the keying of songs but i don't think i have java. the readme says where to get it but how do i know which version of the java i need. there is one thats like 15 megs and other thats 200 kb. This is not my computer so thats why i am a little cautious about downloading these programs. Also is harmonic mixer for a genre like hip hop even worth it. Also what does it mean when a key read like this


C#m/Dbm->C#m/Dbm

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most any version of java will work. i would recommend 1.4 or higher. i wouldn't be wary of installing it either, as i have never heard of it causing problems.

i spin some instrumental hip hop and knowledge of keys helps... its always fun to slice up phrases which are in key to make new rhythms and melodies :-)

if you're just learning about all the theory i'd read the tutorial on the site, it will explain a lot. the key code might be simpler to understand, but it in the case you pointed out, C#m and Dbm refer to the same key. it so happens you can enter and ending key in the software in case a song changes key. looks like whoever added the song filled in the end key and start key the same (which is unnecessary and redundant). i'll probably fix the server so it doesn't display like that, so as not to confuse people.. hehe

hope that helps

alrighty, my small contribution to this thread. theres no organised order here, simply as i did them. thus the closer to the bottom you get the more likely the key is correct, tho i give *no* guarantees
anything with two keys is coz theyre slower than most of my tunes and are pitched up a lot.

2A Iio - Smooth (Airbase Club Mix) B
8A DJ Snowman - And then they start to dance (Club Mix) A
8A DJ Snowman - And then they start to dance (Kaylab Mix) B
7A La Chimera - Homeland (Original) A
7A La Chimera - Homeland (Sunrise Mix) B
9A Jan Johnston - Calling your name Pt 2 (Neo & Farina Mix) A
9A Jan Johnston - Calling your name Pt 2 (Kansais Mix) B
2A Sunblind - Believe (Nu-NRG Mix) A
6A Blank & Jones - Mind of the wonderful (Clubmix) B
9B Corderoy - Deeper (Vocal Mix) A
9B Corderoy - Deeper (Dub Mix) B
11A Oceanlab - Clear blue water (Ferry Corsten mix) B
Oceanlab - Clear blue water (Original) A
10A Elles de Graaf ft. Greg Murray - Circles of why (Greg Murray
10A Tiesto - Walking on Clouds D
5A Tiesto - Love comes again B
9A/4A Andain - Beautiful things (Gabriel & Dresden Unplugged mix)
6A YOMC - Pump it (Pumpin Mix) A
6A YOMC - Pump it (Martin Roth mix) B
11A Witness of wonder - Emotion in motion (Thrillseekers mix) B
2A Witness of wonder - Emotion in motion (Original Mix) A
2B Fragrance - Don’t break my heart (Alphazone Mix) A
Orbital - One perfect sunrise (Phil Hartnoll Mix) A
5A The Mystery - Feel 4 you (Dave202 & Phil Green Mix) A1
5A The Mystery - Feel 4 you (Club Vocal Mix) A2
5A The Mystery - Feel 4 you (Dub Edit Mix) B
5A Alias - Evil (Original Mix) A
8A Apollo - Dance (Extended Mix) B
2A Ryan G - Emoticon (Miika Kuisma Mix) A
2A Ryan G - Emoticon (Original) B
4B Airbase - Genie (Original Mix) A
4B Airbase - Genie (Michael Splint V F&W Mix) B
11A Firewall - Sincere (Pulser Mix) B
11A Firewall - Sincere (Lange Mix) A
5A Subsunday - So Good (Cor Fijneman Mix) A
5A Subsunday - So Good (Dirtside Mix) B
5A MORPH - Creatures (Arc in the sky Mix) A
5A Fictivision VS C-Quence - Symbols (mesh mix) B
2A Fictivision VS C-Quence - Symbols A
10A Svenson & Gielen - The beauty of silence (Pump Mix) A
6B Phil Green - Solaris A
4A Electrique Boutique - Heal (Instrumental Dub) B
4A Electrique Boutique - Heal (Vocal Mix) A
7B Airplay - The music is moving (Dumonde Mix) B
8A Three Drives - Carrera 2 (Nu-NRG Mix) A
4B William Orbit - Adagio for strings (unknown Mix)
8A Dumonde - Atmosphere B
8A Beam - Amun (Original) A
8A Beam - Amun (Midnight Mix) A
8A Beam - Amun (Cosmic Gate Mix) B
8A Beam - Amun (Dumonde Mix) B
8A? Tears of an Angel - Tears of an angel
7A Angelic Touchdown - Marinero (Nu-NRG Mix) A
9A/4A 3XM - Alive (Club Mix) A
9A Marcos & Jay Walker - Nightfinder (MTW Mix) A
7A Dumonde - Free your feelings A
11B Superdrivers - Pole Position B
7B Superdrivers - Suspension A
Moogwai - Viola (Original Mix) A
11B Moogwai - Viola (Armin Mix) B
7A DJ Tatana Feat. Jael - Always on my mind (Ronski Speed Mix) A
2A Michael Woods - Solex (Original) A
4A Son of a Pitch - Lunica A
6B Nu-NRG Dreamland B
1B Pervading Call - Destiny (Instrumental Mix) A
1B Pervading Call - Destiny (Informers Mix) B
2A Astura - Orions Belt A
1A G&M Project - Sunday Afternoon (Original) A
4A G&M Project - Sunday Afternoon (Nu-NRG Mix) B
8A Cosmic Gate - The Wave A
7A The Moon Feat. Nu-NRG - Supersonik A
9A The Moon Feat. Nu-NRG - The Moon loves the sun A2
7A The Moon Feat. Nu-NRG - High Volume B
10A Crowdshaker - Stay (Blue Nature Mix) A
12B Chemistry - Desire (Club Mix) A
1B Chemistry - Desire (DJ Shog Mix) B
12B Altitude - Altitude (SHOKK Mix) B
Taya - A place called love (Somatic Sense)
8A Cosmic Gate - Exploration of Space (Extended Mix) A
7A Andy Hunter - Go (Antillas Remix) A
12B Marc Dawn - Random Walk (Nu-NRG remix)
8A Nebulus - Destination Paradise (Airbase remix) B1
8A Nebulus - Destination Paradise (Original) A
3A Spiritual Project - Big Light (Original mix) B
6A Spiritual Project - Big Light (Hard mix) A
11B Aly & Fila - Eye of Horus (Ronski Speed mix)
12A Pro-Tech - Dominating Power (YOMC mix) B
10A Pro-Tech - Dominating Power (DJ Wag mix) A
9A Chris Cooper - Infinity (YOMC remix)
2A JHWH - Wait For Tonight (Original mix)
2A JHWH - Wait For Tonight (Club mix)
6A Jay Walker - Initiate (Original mix) A
6A Jay Walker - Initiate (Digial Pressure remix) B
5A Reysan Khan - Shiatsu (2 Players remix) A
3A Paffendorf - Welcome to Africa (Technopunk remix) B
8A Neo Cortex - Elements (vocal club mix) 1
8A Human Evolution - Human Evolution (Vocal Mix) B
8A Human Evolution - Human Evolution (Club mix) A
5A Tecno-Punk - Energize A
2A Serenade - Serenade (Angel Ace remix) B1
2A Serenade - Serenade (Ninety Two Day mix) B2
2A Serenade - Serenade (original) A
10A Signum - Come Around Again (DJ Danjo & Rob Styles) B1
8A Signum - Second Wave (Original) B2
8A Signum - Second Wave 2004
12A Airwave - Save me (Whiteroom remix)
5A Misjah Helsloot Feat. Shane 54- Back from your past A
9A Dave 202 VS Dumonde - Singularity 2005 A
9A Dave 202 VS Dumonde - Singularity 2005 B
3A Ampire - Singularity (phalanx remix)
3A Ampire - Singularity (club mix)
2A Plastic Boy - Silverbath
11A Icone - Astra (Arc in the sky remix) A
12B Icone - Astra AA
7A/2A Markus Schulz - Coldharbour Selections Probspot- Blueberry
2A Genix - Reconnected (original)
2A Genix - Reconnected (Factoria remix)
2A Gavyn Mytchel - Forbidden (Smith & Pledger remix) aa
2A Albert Evil - Groove on
12A Badini Experience vs. Chris P - The Movie
11A Kofi Annan - United Nations 7 (the legacy bootleg) A
1A Leigh Paul - New Perspective
4A Altitude - Sunray (Airwave remix) B
5A Seashells - Fallin' Under (Club mix) A
4A Andy Prinz - Chaos in Motion (Solid Slide Remix)
9B Immoral Monkeys - Angels Secret
2A Steve Hill & Technikal - Adagio For Strings A
2A Steve Hill & Technikal - Adagio For Strings (K-Series Remix)
4A Hemstock & Jennings V Adam White - Reverence (original) A
4A Hemstock & Jennings V Adam White - Reverence (Darren Tate mix
8A Skin - Faithfulness (Tiesto Dub Mix) A
4A Tomonari & Tommy Pi - C Sharp (Original)
2B Sunblind - Believe (Arc in the Sky Dub) A
2B Sunblind - Believe (Arc in the Sky Vocal) B
9A Will Holland - Melodica (Original) A
7A Rank 1 - Airwave (Original) A
7A Rank 1 - Airwave (Rank 1 VS Dutch Force Remix) B
10A Iio - Rapture (Armin mix)
5A Dumonde - Tomorrow (Jam X & De Leon Mix) B
5A Dumonde - Tomorrow (Moogwai Mix) A

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Last edited by pkcRAISTLIN on Aug-28-2005 at 06:44

Pretty sure that 11B Skin - Faithfulness (Tiesto Dub Mix) A
is actually a minor not a major but will have a look later today.

Great list though. Thanks for the input.

Cheers
Nem

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dont pay me any attention ppl, listen to nem
i just had a quick check, and its either an 11B or an 8A. i cant tell tbh. stupid muddy recording that it is. but yeah, ill go for the minor, thanks.

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