A little too technical for some people who just want to hear the music.....

This guy knows his stuff! I'm extraordinarily impressed, because he didn't just come out and scream TIJS SUCKS EWW WTFBBQ!!!$#@ I love the explanation, understand it completely, and am now tempted to listen and see if I can pick those out! Thank you RvK for your reasoning, rationale and logic.

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Originally posted by Stunade THANK YOU also thank you for backing me up on the smoothness can be "boring" in a way 1 thing though...I'm NOT a guy!

lol.. don't think i said you were

and i think dj_rvk is actually michaelboogerd! on here, who i replied to with that post so he obviously knows what he's on about. i dj too so know about timing/phrasematching issues but at the same time disagree with the implication that a mix can't sound decent unless it's completely phrasematched & cued in the most obvious place

i'll have to listen back to those he mentioned though

There is no real set rule on how a transition should be.

It just has to sound good.

There is no real set rule on how a transition should be.

It just has to sound good.

It's kind of weird though, I have seen Tiesto live about 10 times and contrary to what most people say, his mixing is 95% of the time on spot. Most of the things you here about him trainwrecking live is just heresay. Just dl any of his live sets and you can hear that for yourself. It's odd that with a studio release that the mixes are not perfect or even close to what he would do in a club. Also ironic that for the most part, after the 20min mark of cd 1 and all of cd 2 the mixing is way better than the first few tracks.

I've hated Tiesto for years and disliked most trance for a little while now but disc 2 is constantly on repeat in my house now. I was very pleasantly surprised by the compilation.

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Yes, disc 2 good for sure. It is very reminiscent of old trance/prog house like Sasha and Digweed's NE. Don't assume that I'm saying it's as good, bc it's not, but it still seems to take me back to that age. And he shows he can actually mix when we wants to on that disc.

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Originally posted by ncgroov808 It is very reminiscent of old trance/prog house like Sasha and Digweed's NE.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
This ISOS5 cd is one big piece of excrement compared to Sasha & Digweed's N.E.

This isos 5 it's a joke. Proghouse sounds isn't melodic and emotional as isos's tracks style.

For me it's not an isos, melodic and emotional tracks are so few.

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Originally posted by isoterra lol.. don't think i said you were and i think dj_rvk is actually michaelboogerd! on here, who i replied to with that post so he obviously knows what he's on about. i dj too so know about timing/phrasematching issues but at the same time disagree with the implication that a mix can't sound decent unless it's completely phrasematched & cued in the most obvious place i'll have to listen back to those he mentioned though

*waves*

Isoterra - your first post that i quoted - was a bit of fun. I know you weren't just sitting there typing because Tiesto doesnt mix well is why you like him

I actually like his risky mixing too. It sometimes really adds to the flow & if you re-read the pio vs. ishkur thread.. at times i tried to stick up for Pio's side of the issue (as i agreed!).

My post on tiesto.com that was quoted here by NCGroove... is just the points on disc 1 where i really think Tijs didn't put effort into this CD. Also.. I was asked to provide (by exact time) the precise locations of my distaste. Hence the post that got quoted here.

You DO have to look at it technically. But when i pick up an ISOS CD i expect there to be no audible errors. The whole concept is based on the fact that the sun is rising, there is mellow, tranquil period... that is supposed to be captured in the music on the 2 discs.

How can this concept be achieved if Tiesto doesn't pay attention to the mixing?

His ballsy mixing live (different or earlier cue points to other established DJs) and tune selection are the reason why i am still his fan despite all the reasons not to be right now. Sadly, these skills just don't get reflected enough in this release.

I would love to be the "pio" of this thread actually saying i enjoyed the CD. Because the tunes there are damn fine. Really GOOD tunes. Problem is i just can't even get into it at all. I'd rather get the mp3 when they're released and have a go myself.




2 NCGroove - why do the first 4 tunes seem so bad...
I think its clear that in a liveset or in a different dimension perhaps? These tunes would NEVER EVER be put back2back like this. He even had some other tunes that could've been used (sorry no names - but just look at the tracklists from recent events) that he could've used to provide cd 1 with a much better introduction.

A secondary concept seems to have been used whereby all CD 1 had to be vocals (another tune was sent back to the producer and in the end not used simply because it was an instrumental track) - this secondary concept completely kills all sorts of flow on disc 1.

When you consider the Dekay tracks to the end of CD 1 - its not 'that' bad... so why the first 4? Seems like Tiesto wanted to include them but just didn't have anywhere else to put them.. making for 3 very perculiar and out-of-sorts transitions that mess up the whole release.

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Last edited by MichaelBoogerd! on Apr-08-2006 at 19:31

First, I wasn't "comparing" disc 2 to NE. It just reminded me of it to a certain extent. Believe me I know NE is 1000x better than almost anything Tiesto has ever done including ISOS 5 disc 2. For some reason it reminded me of it though.

I agree that Tijs probably didn't know where to put those tracks and they don't naturally gel, hence the mixes being forced. With ISOS 4 and 5 there seems to be a lot of this. There are a lot dj's who make "late" mixes and they still pass (check G&D "Bloom"), but it is just not right for ISOS. I still feel both volumes should have been refined into 1 disc. I really believe that the high standards of ISOS were set in the first three volumes when Tiesto was in his prime. With ISOS he shows he can still put great tracks on a cd, but the subpar mixing is making me wonder if he still has "IT". I know these tracks will blow the roof off of some clubs this summer and I hope to hear it. I just hope he can mix even a little better than whats's found on disc 1.