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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch couldn't agree with you more. I can't throw the ball farther than 15 yards, am shorter than all the defensive ends and linebackers, yet am probably capable of playing the quarterback position better than about 20% of the NFL quarterbacks right now. All you got to do is study video tapes, work on your throws with your wide receivers and backs, and learn how to read defenses.

lol don't take your Madden 07 skills for real

why does everyone hate Big ben? Is it considered cool to do so? And is that the only reason?



I think he's atleast 2nd tier QB material. Even with his injuries this season he hasnt done too bad a job. He'll be first tier next season.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch you can probably do a great job in Oakland. better than Walter and Brooks. All you need to do it hand it off to Jordan a couple of times, and when the defense bites on the run, just throw it up in the air to Moss, and he will take care of it for you. As long as you keep Moss happy, he will score touchdowns for you.

Did you see Moss' performance against the seahawks?


A retarded child would of been able to catch the balls Moss dropped.

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Originally posted by Michael19 why does everyone hate Big ben? Is it considered cool to do so? And is that the only reason? I think he's atleast 2nd tier QB material. Even with his injuries this season he hasnt done too bad a job. He'll be first tier next season.

I hate him, because he is exactly that... a body to fill a roster spot... yeah he can AIR itout... but is he accurate? NO, he just throws long balls...wherever they land, NO ONE KNOWS...

He's just a fuckhead, and I hate the Steelers... a running team that implanted a QB, and he got lucky...

Oh, and maybe the fact that the jerkoff decides not to wear a helmet when riding his big wheel...

In all honesty, its a very stupid question to ask... how can you NOT HATE Big Ben???

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Randy Moss is garbage, a shell of his former self. Dude has serious attitude problems. I hate him.

I'm neither here or there on Big Ben. I was kind of sickened that the Steelers won the Super Bowl last year but other than that, I could care less. He thinks he can get away with the same chucks and scrambling that he did last year but he obviously can't. Based on current performance, no 2nd tier for him.

I'll agree about Brees and Bulger can be 2nd tier but no way is Eli first tier. I have him on one of my fantasy teams and he's been pretty poor for 5-6 weeks. Sorry, it wasn't just last week. I have to see every Giants game living in NYC and he is NOT 1st tier.

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wow you guys are forgetting that Ben is only 24, that he probably had the best rookie numbers of any QB ever, and that he has a career 64% completion rate, and his win-loss numbers are still hall of fame pace level.

He goes in and out of the hospital a few times and has a poor start to this season as a result (not to mention not having hines ward for a while) and you guys forget what he was doing the last two seasons. Yah he plays for a running team but you measure the skill of a QB on his ability to throw in 3rd down situations, and Ben is one of the best at doing that. He is proven in the clutch, and can put a game on his shoulders like when he played Cinncinati in the playoffs last year.

Also its not that QBs are getting worse, its that NFL defenses are getting more and more refined and better at stopping QBs as the years have gone forward. Much faster so than the QB position has been growing, and as a result the NFL has been trying to take every precaution to protect its QBs with all the new rules about how you can hit them this year. It seems like every sack is a personal foul.

chad johnson is a fucking G

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Originally posted by Member of X Randy Moss is garbage, a shell of his former self. Dude has serious attitude problems. I hate him.

agreed. he goes on the radio once a week and bashes his team, thats messed up. Did you guys know he lives in a retirement community b/c he has the same sort of social anxiety that Ricky Williams has.


Also, would you rather have had the Seahawks win the super bowl? Ugh, I was happy a team that earned it won it.

Don't get me started on randy.... damn... He was the best WR ever... then he left Minnesota... I was a HUGE Moss fan... its too bad... but I've stayed away from him fantasy wise for 3 years... ahem....lol....

But, thank god we got T.O.!

Spartan, I've always hated Big Ben, ever since he was drafted... so... I'm not JUST looking at his current numbers, he's NEVER been a fantasy stud/numbers guy... so you really can't say he's a great QB...

Trent Dilfer > Big Ben

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I got nothing against Big Ben. I actually cheered for him back when he played at Miami of Ohio. Better him win it than the Seahawks. No worries, Brady will get the ring back this year

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Originally posted by King Ecnal so you really can't say he's a great QB... Trent Dilfer > Big Ben

As a rookie ben took the Steelers on a 14 game winning streak. The numbers I look at when I judge QBs are completion percentage and wins.

He is a great QB in that sense at least.

haha could it be you're just bitter b/c he ended your pats NFL record 21 game winning streak? and began a streak of his own??

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