white sox magic number: 15 woo hoo

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Originally posted by lucid pro tip: if you value your life, NEVER do anything that will place you "outside" of the jonze circle of trust.

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Originally posted by jonze234 also, i heard during the year that irabu was tearing it up back in japan.

yes i heard that too ..
pretty strange he lost his confidence while playing for the yanks .. i guess he couldn't take the pressure from "the boss" and torre ..

but i don't know .. he just seems overweight to me for a pitcher .. then again, david wells has success, and he is massively overweight .. hahhahahah

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there are a lot of big pitchers

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Originally posted by Mebot there are a lot of big pitchers

i don't really mean big pitchers...

i really meant plump pitchers, if you know what i mean ..

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you mean fat asses like Bob Wickman?

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Originally posted by lucid pro tip: if you value your life, NEVER do anything that will place you "outside" of the jonze circle of trust.

National League Cy Young Race. My opinion:

1. Cris Carpenter
2. Roger Clemens
3. Pedro Martinez

Here's the stats to backup my thinking:


----- IP - ERA - WHIP - WINS - HR Alw - Opponent OPS:
C Car 220 - 2.21 - 0.97 - 21 - 15 - .578
Roger 189 - 1.57 - 0.92 - 11 - 8 - .504
Pedro 195 - 2.95 - 0.92 - 13 - 19 - .578


----- Run Supp - CG - Quality Starts
C Car 5.2 - 7 - 27
Roger 3.6 - 1 - 24
Pedro 5.0 - 3 - 21


Pedro's weakness is clearly the long ball. Roger has quite a bit lower OPS surely attributable to only allowing 8 homers. That's why his ERA is so astronomical, he doesn't give up the big ones. Compare that to Randy Johnson who has given up a whopping 29 HR's. In comparison to history, Roger's ERA is clearly mind boggling! Pedro's run support is actually almost the same as Carpenter but Roger's is clearly worse than all. However, I give the slight nudge to Carpenter over Roger just because he has 7 complete games which is saying to me he doesn't tire his bullpen as much. Plus, he's giving his team longer production of great pitching giving his team more assured wins because it's not left up to the bullpen to decide the game. Lastly, I think Carpenter has been the most consistent start to start as seen with his quality starts. He has one more start than Roger and Pedro but has nearly 3 more games of innings. Again, he eats more innings.

Carpenter is also in first, Houston looks like a strong wild card, and the Mets are in last but that really isn't Pedro's fault but still, a point in talking about valuable to ?

Just my thoughts...

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Originally posted by Member of X National League Cy Young Race. My opinion: 1. Cris Carpenter 2. Roger Clemens 3. Pedro Martinez

Agreed and I don't think many Mets fans can argue this one after Carps performance against them last night, he locked them down big style. Carpenter has been incrediblr this year, lets hope he kkeps this form into October.

The Indians are looking good right now I have to say. 1.5 game lead in the WC.

The Unit needs to deliver tomorrow for the Yanks. If he doesn't, the East is probably out of reach.

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Babby Bonds is to be activated on Monday! In a backup role ...

Can the Giants try a final push for the division title? Those Padres look too comfortable in that division ...

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pretty weird that you also left out dontrelle willis ..

20 wins is pretty good. he got rocked a couple of games here and there, but still has to get consideration for locking down the rest of this opponents ..


yet carpenter has to get the cy.

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i don't think win/loss record should be a factor in the CY young award. if you're era is low enough, it shouldnt matter if your streak is 1-11