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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi hmm...just wondering if ne of u guys use the tempo lock function on ur cd decks to adjust the key into what sounds right. This is just something i recently started doing. Listening to track 1's outro b 4 i beat match i adjust the pitch slider to find a key that will sound good i cand tell this by putting both pfl's on. once i like the key i press the tempo lock button and then use the pitch slider to beat match. It works for me imo. Therfore u can rely on ur ear manually to create harmonic mixes, instead of having to classify each of ur tracks into key.

forgive me if im wrong, but im pretty sure you cant just grab a tune, and then select what key its going to be in. changing the speed will obv change the key, but you cant just say, oooh! im gonna play this tune in C minor coz that will be dandy.

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I know, its rather something u just hear, and what ever sounds right to you should sound right to the audience. I just dont think there is a need to label all ur singles by key(I dont know if uve seen the thread on keyed tunes to harmonic mixers). Harmonic mixing shouldnt be so technical in my opinion, instead, You shoulkd developing an ear to hear if two songs sound together at the same key. If not, oyu can just manipulate the key by changing pitch. 6 years of concert band playing the trumpet really helped out i must say

CDJs allow for more creativity with djing. I'd call them live remixing machines rather than decks, I got 9 on board effects on each of my decks, and using different combinations during buildups and breakdowns can sound lethal! Also Beatmatching is a shiize load easier on cd decks, cuz u can just cue the down beat, loop like 8 beats, and just keep trying a few times until u like how the beats are matched. Also forgot to mention the bpm counters.

Question: Who are gunna be the Tiestos the Armins and PVDS in like 10-12 years....The answer is the teenagers of today. All my fellow teenage djs use cd decks, since they are more practical, and everyone is using mp3 format shit these days. Teenagers these days are all vvery computer literate, so I see plugging in a laptop into the mixer as a norm in the future. Using cd decks allows for a much greater tracklist to work with in ur cd wallet, and this is critical to ur success as a dj, because you have to know when to play the right song at the right time. Having a larger song selection gives you a wider range of options on how to move the energy levels of the crowd.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi I know, its rather something u just hear, and what ever sounds right to you should sound right to the audience.

well, as nem rightly pointed out in the harmonics thread, it doesnt work like that. out of key tunes are still going to be out of key, no matter how much you lock em

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi I just dont think there is a need to label all ur singles by key(I dont know if uve seen the thread on keyed tunes to harmonic mixers). Harmonic mixing shouldnt be so technical in my opinion, instead, You shoulkd developing an ear to hear if two songs sound together at the same key.

this should be in the other thread, but since its here i just wanted to say i couldnt disagree with your more. firstly, you can only mix harmonically if you have an ear for it in the first place (unless youre grabbing keys of places like mixshare.com, but i trust myself more). i for one take a great deal of pleasure in getting new tunes and keying them. nothing overly "technical" about it. as nem pointed out, having them already keyed allows you freedom to do everything else you might wanna.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
changing the speed will obv change the keyQUOTE]

Not with CDJ's

some have an option that allows you ton change the speed of the tune without changing the key. It's an amazing little technology feat ! and another boundaries of vinyl that CDJ's has break.

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Originally posted by ti_gui909 Not with CDJ's some have an option that allows you ton change the speed of the tune without changing the key. It's an amazing little technology feat ! and another boundaries of vinyl that CDJ's has break.

yes, i know that. they also dont work as well you people seem to think (check nem's post in the harmonic's thread). any DJ that *needs* keylock isnt that good imo. people have been DJing for decades without it. i really domt see the need.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yes, i know that. they also dont work as well you people seem to think (check nem's post in the harmonic's thread). any DJ that *needs* keylock isnt that good imo. people have been DJing for decades without it. i really domt see the need.

what kind of an argument is "people have been DJing for decades without it. i really domt see the need." ??

If humanity thought like you, we'd still be cavern people. and there was no DJ in cavern times. DJ's came from an evolution of music and there's no evolution when people refuse to change.

I mean why refuse to evolve ? DJing is a way to feed the dancefloor with the electronic music we all love and love to love. If new technologies provide ways for Dj to be more unique and to provide a more creative and rich experience to the public, i say embrace it.

I respect those who want to stick with vynil since it's a great medium and the feel of vynil and the pure analog sound is great.

But you guys who keep bashing CDJ's and saying that Vynil is the only way to go i have this to say to you :

GROW UP ! DJing is NOT a freaking religion !
You guys are to Djing what religious extremist are to Islam.
STOP imagining yourself you are part of a freaking cult.
It's the party people who gave the DJ it's purpose, they don't care about your silly purist whinning.

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Last edited by ti_gui909 on Dec-13-2005 at 15:38

Well said ti guy
If technology is allowing for greater djing capabilities of what the dj can actually do on the dance floor, so be it. Those who advocate the arguement that "true djs" use pure vinyl are gonna get left behind in a dj industry thats heading towards greater technological advancements.

Y couldnt trance music be made 60 years ago? Lack of technology. It is the continual advancements in technology that allowed for the electronic dance music scene to take place. Guess what. Technology is not stopping, and you vinyl purists better keep up with the scene or else you will be thrown on your back when vinyl dies out. I give vinyl another 12 years max.

children, make sure you are capable of understanding peoples\' posts before you run off on some completely *unrelated* tangent. i merely stated that imo pitchlock is redundant and id never use it coz it will never sounds as good as two tunes that are in key *after* the pitch adjustment. nowhere did i bash CDs or state that only \"true\" DJs use vinyl.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN nowhere did i bash CDs or state that only \"true\" DJs use vinyl.

I was not refering to anybody in particular.

If the hat doesn't fit don't wear it

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Originally posted by ti_gui909 what kind of an argument is "people have been DJing for decades without it. i really domt see the need." ??

pkcRAISTLIN was actually making the point that just because a CDJ1000 has 'Master Tempo' it doesn't mean that vinyl is obsolete as implied by DJ Damerchi.

In General,
This whole Harmonic thing is a whole different thread, something that has been seriously missunderstood by some of the posters in this thread. But for the record, if you are going to make an arguement it is not advisable to take one thing you don't know very much about and compare to something else you seemingly know very little about. It's better to be quiet and have people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Why would it make sense to rant about the virtues of evolving technology when you are not even prepared to embrace a little basic musical understanding?

I have never in my life (and not saying it wont happen) come across a DJ who, once he or she has learnt how to mix harmonically has turned around and said "This is pointless, I wont bother with this".

Likewise, it would also be unwise to turn your nose up at technology as long as it improves what you are doing. It takes a while as a DJ to get used to what's being sold as a gimick and what isn't.

The truth is, some people like vinyl more than CDs but at the same time they should not be confusing their love for vinyl with a justification to bash CDs and visa versa. Both are still used in clubs and will be for a while yet. And as I said before, vinyl has been given x amount of years to live and still it fights on. Freak also made a valid point about the Hip Hop culture that still is predominantly vinyl based.
Time will tell and for all we know there may be a new technology on the way that will make all current totally redundant. Focus on what we have now and you will be better prepared come what may.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 pkcRAISTLIN was actually making the point that just because a CDJ1000 has 'Master Tempo' it doesn't mean that vinyl is obsolete as implied by DJ Damerchi.

That i agree with. But that's not what i was answering to.
I was answering to his comment :

"any DJ that *needs* keylock isnt that good imo. people have been DJing for decades without it. i really domt see the need."

Of course nobody *needs* master tempo but it's a great feature. You can beatmatch a track with vocals without altering that vocal too much, wich is great.

But i understand pkcRAISTLIN was referring to using keylocking in harmonic mixing wich is not what i'm talking about.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 it is not advisable to take one thing you don't know very much about and compare to something else you seemingly know very little about. It's better to be quiet and have people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

where does that come from ? I, for sure, know much less then you on either subject but i know enough to participate in this discussion.
Don't come and tell me some proverbial shit to undermine my right to have an opinion on the subject.
It's just not cool man.
I did not attack anybody, I'm trying to stay in the arena of idea.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Why would it make sense to rant about the virtues of evolving technology when you are not even prepared to embrace a little basic musical understanding?

I don't believe I've shown a reluctancy to embrace a little basic musical understanding.
But anyway I think DJing is NOT that complicated. It's still playing some records for a party. It's still choosing the right tune for the right moment (whatever is the key of the tune).
You wanna talk the basic of music, creativity and music as an art, go in the production section.

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