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Originally posted by DiS Jean Chretian is the best thing that happened to Canada. The only politician stat stayed true to himself and his nation during the US's attack on Iraq. (Mostly because he had nothing to loose, unlike everybody else.)

could that be the second worst post on this thread? Stayed true to himself? No more hokey a comment than 'God Bless America' in my opinion. Its pretty easy to 'be true to yourself' when you dont have to worry about getting re-elected or worry about what happens two years from now when you're out of power.. In any case Jean Chretien (btw is how you spell it) is a smart man but he certainly wasn't the only one who condemned the war.

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No more hokey a comment than 'God Bless America' in my opinion.

Come again?

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Its pretty easy to 'be true to yourself' when you dont have to worry about getting re-elected

Did I not mention that he has nothing to loose in the bracket bid?

Do you agree or disagree with my post? You're a smart man that knows how to spell his name! I salute you. Do you support him or not? Not quiet sure where you stand on the issue. You're like a Humpty Dumpty, sitting on the wall, but can't decide which side to fall on. Keep the "worst post" comments to yourself regarding decent post.

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Originally posted by *********** Legal eh? How exactly is it that the US has PROOF, factual and hard proof that Iraq has chemical/other weapons? I agree with what has been said above, I do agree that Saddam has to be ousted but not in the way that it is being done.

I think its funny people talk like this.......If you don't like the way we got him out, then you do it! why don't cry-babies ever act instead of stand in the street and cry? WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEING KILLED BY SADDAM? where were you panzi's when families were being gassed and tortured? had you protested, or try to have been a human shield then you would have died...america will not bomb a bridge with innocent people standing on it (not if we can help it) but i am damn sure that saddam would not have had a second thought about gassing you big-mouth bastards if he had the chance. AND I THINK YOU PEOPLE FORGET THAT! GET BENT!

NO ONE EVER WANTS WAR AND KILLING. NEVER! but you have to learn that the only way to stop the killers, and murderers of the world, is by force... I am sorry.....

If you people hadn't noticed no amount of talking or protesting would have ever got saddam out of his chair. he never cared, the thief. why didn't people organize in his streets ans ask for him to GO! or to listen? WHY? cause he would have killed you! as for proof of weapons, i think it may have been a political excuse to stop saddam and his regime. But it was a good excuse. The iraqi's are free, and you wait in the next year.... things will get better for them. try to stay off the bandwagons, chicken little...

you people don't wars, then maybe you should organize some protests that stop giving us reason's to fight......

p.s. i used one person's quote, but this for every one!!!!!!

read a non-fiction book!

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Originally posted by DiS Come again?.. Keep the "worst post" comments to yourself regarding decent post.

I was referring to this:

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Originally posted by DiS hehehehe. That was the worst post on this thread. Are you for real? "God BLess America"? No offense intended, but that was just funny. I especially loved the "Saddam is 'evil' person" bid.

I know what side of the fence I sit on. I disagree with Chretien's position.

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I think its funny people talk like this.......If you don't like the way we got him out, then you do it! why don't cry-babies ever act instead of stand in the street and cry? WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEING KILLED BY SADDAM? where were you panzi's when families were being gassed and tortured?

Well I was still a little kid when this all happened but I know what some people were doing at this time.

Donald Rumsfeld was shaking Hussein's hand and smiling at him when people were getting killed by Saddam.
US gov was funneling arms to Iraq and training Iraqi military when people were getting killed by Saddam
US gov lobbied on behalf of Saddam in the UN and elsewhere internationally when people were being killed by Saddam.

There are plenty of reasons for this war to stop, you just have to listen.

DiS, what the fuck is this? Keep this anti-Israeli shit off the boards, okay? Do some fucking research on the political turmoil that's gone on in the middle east rather than posting this Al-Jazeera bullshit.

This was supposed to be a thread about the USA, not Israel. Disparaging the USA because they've supported Israel is total ignorance. The Israeli military tries as hard as they can to protect their people while minimizing the casualties of other people, and the entire world condemns them for it. Fine, I've begun to accept that these days, but I wasn't expecting to see this damn propaganda on the TA forum.

USA "vetoed" these UN resolutions because the UN resolutions were bullshit. Honestly, the UN security council is one thing, but everyone knows that the general assembly is a fucking joke. SO keep it to yourself, okay? Don't act like Palestine is all innocent with their homicide bombers and stone-throwers.

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Originally posted by HardTrance81 I think its funny people talk like this.......If you don't like the way we got him out, then you do it! why don't cry-babies ever act instead of stand in the street and cry? WHERE WERE THE PROTESTS WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEING KILLED BY SADDAM? where were you panzi's when families were being gassed and tortured? had you protested, or try to have been a human shield then you would have died...america will not bomb a bridge with innocent people standing on it (not if we can help it) but i am damn sure that saddam would not have had a second thought about gassing you big-mouth bastards if he had the chance. AND I THINK YOU PEOPLE FORGET THAT! GET BENT!

??? i'm confused .. then why is the US so concerned about the well being of the Iraqi Shiite's and Kurds all of a sudden? would the US have the same sympathy for them if Saddam wasn't suspected of having WMD.. ? like would they still go to war against Iraq without this condition .. ?

see i can understand your stance in all this, but if you could answer some of my questions then I might see it in the same light ..

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more propaganda from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast...tion/index.html

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Originally posted by dEsidEL see i can understand your stance in all this, but if you could answer some of my questions then I might see it in the same light ..

what were their motives in Bosnia?

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Originally posted by discojoe what were their motives in Bosnia?

humanitarian .. ? what makes them choose solving one country's problems over another .. ?

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Originally posted by Cal Well I was still a little kid when this all happened but I know what some people were doing at this time. Donald Rumsfeld was shaking Hussein's hand and smiling at him when people were getting killed by Saddam. US gov was funneling arms to Iraq and training Iraqi military when people were getting killed by Saddam US gov lobbied on behalf of Saddam in the UN and elsewhere internationally when people were being killed by Saddam. There are plenty of reasons for this war to stop, you just have to listen.

Protesting here? for what? what good would that have done? protesting does nothing. It is weak display of opinion. seeing pictures of protestors (sp) in the street remind me of a spoiled child sitting on the department store floor kicking their feet cause they didn't get what they wanted. I think alot of us are spoiled with our freedom.

I have kept my ears open through out the entire debate (not the forum, i am talking the issue as a whole) I feel people are listening but not weighing out the goods and bads.....

about US involvment with saddam in the 80's:
I agree, that training any one non-american, or arming anyone non-american was and is a mistake, especially for politcal gain. It is something i am ashamed of i am against in the future. I do not think we should get involved with other countries problems or conflicts, and we should not fund them or supply them for politcal gain, it is wrong. However, I feel that the U.S. should get involved if innocent people are being murdered or starved to death in any country because of politcal or religous (sp) struggle. the death of innocence during peace times calls for war. not to right it, but to stop it. i would drop a bomb that would kill 1,000 people today had i KNOW it would save a million lives tomorrow. i would give up my life today, and fight a war, so that my sisters and mother, and you and your family are safe at home where ever you are.
About now:
it is time saddam had paid for his crimes. I am disappointed that it took so long, and that this had not happened when saddam comitted the crimes but at least he pays for them. and we pay for our mistakes as well, you know. now, becuase of foolish mistake we made years ago. our boys and girls had to correct our parents wrong and put innocent bloodshed to an end by giving up their lives along with taking others. I am not proud people had to die these past few months. I am angry, and i am saddened. i wish it would have never came to this. i wish we had done something earlier, to prevent this. But at this point there is no sense crying over spilt milk. I want peace, and i want to avoid war, but i know the point where talking is a lost cause and it's time to take action.

again, no sense crying over spilt milk. the wheels are already set in motion, all we can do now is watch like a hawk. i pray every night and watch closely at what happens. i pray that this is not bush's attemp to pocket anything from that country, and if so I will be the first one at his doorstep.....


i guess my point was and still is: Talking, and protesting only takes you so far. There comes a point where action needs to be taken. Action does exactly mean violence or force, it means NOT standing around chanting slogans of what some would consider facts. it means doing SOMETHING. not nothing.

we had to get saddam out of iraq, we owe it to them in a sense. we are not imperialists (sp) we are human and we do our best to help as we can. at least we try....


p.s. the comment about the 12 year old? SHE'S twelve she knows nothing of suffering to be talking about the flag like that. The flag is a symbol of the idea of america and to compare it to a bum is unfair. NO ONE dies of starving in this country and that is a feat within itself (people here take the local fastfood establishments for granted), and bums have places to stay and clean up.... there are shelters of every kind in this country, and one in every city for that matter..... I have done over 1,000 hours of community service for school and church and i have fed those people...... they are there cause they are lazy! they have plenty of chance for small time jobs and low cost housing and they blow their money on drugs and alcohol.......one of my first job was working at the YMCA helping retarded kids take swimming lessons.... don't bring children into this.... they are in over their heads as it is, and it's not by their choice......

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