Ill Take David Wells @ Yankee Stadium

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Originally posted by kid nyce Nolan Ryan Case Point Game Set Match

Nolan Ryan... ?

His walk total is terrible... AND he lost nearly 300 games (I know I dont like to use this, but this is overwhelming). I wouldn't even put him in the top 10.

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Originally posted by Member of X For dominance, I'll give you Nolan Ryan just because he has SEVEN no-hitters. That's just sick! But his lifetime stats aren't there for being the best pitcher. I really wasn't debating Pedro vs. anybody for being the best pitcher. I was saying who was the most ideal. And Pedro is not durable enough for me if I had to build my ideal team. And he invites midgets into the clubhouse, I don't need that. I need to look at the stats more closely....but I have to get back to work.

Just go back a page and read my post, bitch.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Just go back a page and read my post, bitch.

Hence... "I need to look at the stats more closely" My job is to analyze numbers and I love sports stats too but I just didn't have 30 minutes to read through that bible yet. I was getting there crumbsnatcher. I don't disagree with the numbers!

I guess the 330+ wins demonstrates longevity and durability of making enough quality starts. As you mentioned, Pedro has to keep it up and maybe he does, but he hasn't reached that stage yet.

Why didn't you breakdown all the first baseman that are better than Don Mattingly? You could pull stats out of your arse all day long about others being better (and I'm sure I couldn't say otherwise) but what I'm going for is when they were in their prime, there's no one I would have rather had. Gold gloves, RBI's, gap hitter, clutch, team leader, intangibles.

Nolan Ryan was the most dominant when he was on but he was off too much.

n00bs...

satchel paige probably would've owned everybody...

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Originally posted by trunks1022 n00bs... satchel paige probably would've owned everybody...

As would Josh Gibson have owned The Babe, The Splinter, and the Bonds.

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Originally posted by Member of X Hence... "I need to look at the stats more closely" My job is to analyze numbers and I love sports stats too but I just didn't have 30 minutes to read through that bible yet. I was getting there crumbsnatcher. I don't disagree with the numbers! I guess the 330+ wins demonstrates longevity and durability of making enough quality starts. As you mentioned, Pedro has to keep it up and maybe he does, but he hasn't reached that stage yet. Why didn't you breakdown all the first baseman that are better than Don Mattingly? You could pull stats out of your arse all day long about others being better (and I'm sure I couldn't say otherwise) but what I'm going for is when they were in their prime, there's no one I would have rather had. Gold gloves, RBI's, gap hitter, clutch, team leader, intangibles. Nolan Ryan was the most dominant when he was on but he was off too much.

I didn't do the first basemen because I don't care about them. Pitching stats are much easier to analyze than hitting stats. Plus, I already know so much about Pedro... so it made it much easier to do.

The 330 of Clemens does mean something. But I think ERA and the related stats are much more important in judging a pitcher's performance.

Pedro's K/9: 10.39
Clemens' K/9: 8.65

Pedro's WHIP: 1.01
Clemens' WHIP: 1.17

Pedro's K/BB ratio: 4.37
Clemens' K/BB ratio: 2.97

Pedro's OPS Against: .588
Clemens' OPS Against: .630

(Just a little interesting stat I saw...)
Pedro's pitches per start: 105.8
Clemens' pitches per start: 101.8

And... for the Wins and Losses crew out there...

Pedro's Winning %: .711
Clemens' Winning %: .655


Now, Clemens does have loads more innings and games played than Pedro which does count for something. But I wonder if at the same point Pdero is at, Clemens' was better, the same, or worse... Maybe if I get bored this weekend, I'll dabble some more with these too.

Just more stuff for you to read Brian.

And who you calling crumbsnatcher... ? Bitch ass...

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What about the midget? If I have Pedro on my dream team, do I have to manage with a circus running around?

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Originally posted by Member of X What about the midget? If I have Pedro on my dream team, do I have to manage with a circus running around?

Nelson is no longer associated with Pedro... unfortunately. Pedro won the WS, that was all he was needed for.

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Jeter gets the first grand slam in his career!

Meanwhile, after looking so good just 2 weeks ago, the Mets simply suck

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I haven't watch a Mets game in a week. They are such a streaky offense. Everyone of the hitters goes through 2 week long slumps...

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There must be a limited amount of good baseball karma or something in New York. When the Mets play well, the Yankees stink, and vice versa (as we're probably seeing right now).

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