Fact of the matter is, like someone on this thread said, most of the teenagers I know, also, who are getting into DJing are doing so with CD's and computers due to accessibility, cost-effectiveness, and flexibility of use. It's much easier to go this way, since the medium allows their music to go from computer to cd to car stereo to club MUCH easier than... vinyl, which can only be played on turntables.

Personally, I started out DJing with CD's on a Denon 2600 Dual-CD Player, since I had such a large collection of music on CD. My focus was on trance music, and naturally, I gravitated to vinyl about a year after picking up my CD decks... this was about 5 years ago.

Today, I'm noticing more and more, newer DJ's preferring CD to vinyl. I personally LOVE vinyl MUCH more than CD's. Nothing is like the feel of actually manipulating the track with your hands and *personally* knowing each tune that comes out of the record sleeve. Ironically, I find that beatmatching and maintaining tempos while in-the-mix is easier on turntables than on CD decks, due to the rigid feel of an analog pitch control and direct control over vinyl.

With that said, I was very reluctant to migrate back to CD's, not that I have completely done so at this point. The CDJ-1000, however, has completely changed my perspective. It comes amazingly close to vinyl (though definitely not the same), allows more room for creativity, and takes away the problem of "reading the groove" on a record (although it fucking takes forever for the unit to analyze and show the wave of a track on its display).

Vinyl junkies will know how tough it is to get a hold of certain tunes on vinyl. The digital domain makes this easier a thousandfold, so if you can't find that tune that's been playing in your head for the past few days... you can probably acquire it online in a second.

The MAJOR decision factor for me to give CD's a shot once again? 4 massive crates and boxes for a collection of vinyl (God, that breaks your back after all these years) vs a 200-slot CD case that can hold ALL of my vinyl collection on CD's with room for more! And of course... the $10-per-vinyl cost vs the cost of downloading your music.

With that said, there still are several tunes that have been impossible to find online in acceptable quality, especially newer releases. While sites like beatport.com make downloading music easier, they simply don't have it all. NOTHING beats getting a limited-press, promo white label in the post, or digging through some records at the local record shop and finding a gem!

In retrospect, I'd like to say that I still *prefer* vinyl, but to bash those that are using CD's is simply assanine (this comes from a former vinyl purist). I don't see myself giving up vinyl anytime soon, since I'm so attached to it, but I'm not going reject new technology. The dance music industry moves in such a way that demands the adaptation to and the embracing of technological change. It makes no sense to set yourself back... you will only fall behind.

If I had been asked about the whole vinyl vs CD debate two years ago, my response would have undoubtedly been, "vinyl." The fact that internationally successful DJ's and producers are being seen more and more using CD's proves that this just isn't the case anymore. John '00' Fleming performs solely on CD now, the last Tiesto concert in LA had a four CDJ-1000 setup (if I'm not mistaken), and increasingly, I have seen CD's being used, in conjunction with vinyl.

Well, this turned out to be a very long post, but I suppose I had a lot to say. Another person on this thread mentioned that it's ultimately the crowd that decides what a good DJ is. Amen to that one...

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Originally posted by djillicit the last Tiesto concert in LA had a four CDJ-1000 setup (if I'm not mistaken),

If it was LA 2005, 2 cdj 1000s and 2 dvdjs

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Originally posted by Xtracktor If it was LA 2005, 2 cdj 1000s and 2 dvdjs

Yezzz! There ya go... case in point, not vinyl.

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Originally posted by djillicit Fact of the matter is, like someone on this thread said, most of the teenagers I know, also, who are getting into DJing are doing so with CD's and computers due to accessibility, cost-effectiveness, and flexibility of use. It's much easier to go this way, since the medium allows their music to go from computer to cd to car stereo to club MUCH easier than... vinyl, which can only be played on turntables. Personally, I started out DJing with CD's on a Denon 2600 Dual-CD Player, since I had such a large collection of music on CD. My focus was on trance music, and naturally, I gravitated to vinyl about a year after picking up my CD decks... this was about 5 years ago. Today, I'm noticing more and more, newer DJ's preferring CD to vinyl. I personally LOVE vinyl MUCH more than CD's. Nothing is like the feel of actually manipulating the track with your hands and *personally* knowing each tune that comes out of the record sleeve. Ironically, I find that beatmatching and maintaining tempos while in-the-mix is easier on turntables than on CD decks, due to the rigid feel of an analog pitch control and direct control over vinyl. With that said, I was very reluctant to migrate back to CD's, not that I have completely done so at this point. The CDJ-1000, however, has completely changed my perspective. It comes amazingly close to vinyl (though definitely not the same), allows more room for creativity, and takes away the problem of "reading the groove" on a record (although it fucking takes forever for the unit to analyze and show the wave of a track on its display). Vinyl junkies will know how tough it is to get a hold of certain tunes on vinyl. The digital domain makes this easier a thousandfold, so if you can't find that tune that's been playing in your head for the past few days... you can probably acquire it online in a second. The MAJOR decision factor for me to give CD's a shot once again? 4 massive crates and boxes for a collection of vinyl (God, that breaks your back after all these years) vs a 200-slot CD case that can hold ALL of my vinyl collection on CD's with room for more! And of course... the $10-per-vinyl cost vs the cost of downloading your music. With that said, there still are several tunes that have been impossible to find online in acceptable quality, especially newer releases. While sites like beatport.com make downloading music easier, they simply don't have it all. NOTHING beats getting a limited-press, promo white label in the post, or digging through some records at the local record shop and finding a gem! In retrospect, I'd like to say that I still *prefer* vinyl, but to bash those that are using CD's is simply assanine (this comes from a former vinyl purist). I don't see myself giving up vinyl anytime soon, since I'm so attached to it, but I'm not going reject new technology. The dance music industry moves in such a way that demands the adaptation to and the embracing of technological change. It makes no sense to set yourself back... you will only fall behind. If I had been asked about the whole vinyl vs CD debate two years ago, my response would have undoubtedly been, "vinyl." The fact that internationally successful DJ's and producers are being seen more and more using CD's proves that this just isn't the case anymore. John '00' Fleming performs solely on CD now, the last Tiesto concert in LA had a four CDJ-1000 setup (if I'm not mistaken), and increasingly, I have seen CD's being used, in conjunction with vinyl. Well, this turned out to be a very long post, but I suppose I had a lot to say. Another person on this thread mentioned that it's ultimately the crowd that decides what a good DJ is. Amen to that one...

Really sweet post, i feel the same way as you do especially after touching and playing around with the cdj1000. Other than the cheaper cost of downloading, i realised how important CDs were when you are dying to get hold of some essential tracks 'immediately' for your gig or whatever just by downloading which takes just minutes. However, i just love the raw feel of vinyl and will be sticking to it for awhile until I can cough up enough cash for a cdj1000. What i do not like is the idea of laptop djing, yes its creative and takes up space but it takes away the tactile nature of a DJ.

im using mainly 192-VBR-320 mp3s so here i am - shoot my sick head right between the eyes

vinyl will never die and it will always be the true way to dj no matter what you think

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I personally like vinyl, tho I would love to be able to buy 12" for the same price of a download. i assume you only get one track with each download( never done it) whereas you get 2+ with 12".
CDJ's cost a couple of hundred more than 1200's so its a tough choice. If I had more cash I'd have a mixture of both.
Hopefully vinyl will be around for a while yet. It sees more of an accomplishment getting your tracks pressed up, than putting them on a website.

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Originally posted by skot_e Poll I personally like vinyl, tho I would love to be able to buy 12" for the same price of a download. i assume you only get one track with each download( never done it) whereas you get 2+ with 12". CDJ's cost a couple of hundred more than 1200's so its a tough choice. If I had more cash I'd have a mixture of both. Hopefully vinyl will be around for a while yet. It sees more of an accomplishment getting your tracks pressed up, than putting them on a website.

I think getting a track signed to a label no matter what format is an achievement in itself... u get one track with a download and 2 or more (in most cases) with a record but how many do you actually play out?? me in most cases is one...

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I guess that depends of the quality of the tunage.
Would be nice if every 12" had 2 rockin tracks on it tho

If you bought a vinyl before 1990, then yes vinyl does sound better than cd. But if you bought a vinyl after 1990 then vinyl sounds equally as good as cd.

Remember in the pre-1990 days of recording music, studios used analog methods of recording such as big reel to reel tapes and later sent to an acetate (vinyl master) for mass copying.

The post-1990 era introduced us to the DAT tape. Most professionally done EDM is recorded and mastered to a DAT tape which is a digital medium supporting frequencies up to 48,000 KHz. That would satisfy even the most extreme audiophile. CD's and vinyl are then sent to be copied from the same dat tape, therefore the notion that vinyl sounds better than cd and vice versa is all a lie and rather a big dj culture war between vinyl enthusiasts and digital rebels.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 If you bought a vinyl before 1990, then yes vinyl does sound better than cd. But if you bought a vinyl after 1990 then vinyl sounds equally as good as cd. Remember in the pre-1990 days of recording music, studios used analog methods of recording such as big reel to reel tapes and later sent to an acetate (vinyl master) for mass copying. The post-1990 era introduced us to the DAT tape. Most professionally done EDM is recorded and mastered to a DAT tape which is a digital medium supporting frequencies up to 48,000 KHz. That would satisfy even the most extreme audiophile. CD's and vinyl are then sent to be copied from the same dat tape, therefore the notion that vinyl sounds better than cd and vice versa is all a lie and rather a big dj culture war between vinyl enthusiasts and digital rebels.

That's all well and good, and i'm keeping a completely unbiased opinion when I say this, but wouldn't most cds that are played out come from a 320kbps download??

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Originally posted by AngusG That's all well and good, and i'm keeping a completely unbiased opinion when I say this, but wouldn't most cds that are played out come from a 320kbps download??

If it started out as an mp3 then it was never a cd to begin with. My comparison is between factory pressed cd-sinlges and vinyl, not mp3 burned to cd-r's vs vinyl.