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Originally posted by trancendental I know I'm going to hell

we can start a club.

religion is evil.

yes! the hatred is winning! we still have something positive left in this world!

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I believe in God because I feel him in my life.

i couldnt have said it better


i believe that God created the universe and everything in it. i believe God gave the some knowledge to a few individuals in order to write the Bible: which is to me, a book which contains the word of God and the teachings of his earthly son Jesus Christ.

I dont go to church, nor am i part of any denominations or religions. i just have a faith in God and Christ.

Impartial. Religious people's take on things are as good a guess as anyone else's. I don't really care about existential questions,and I don't feel the need to believe in anything either,so I don't bother with it.

Religion is a double-edged sword(just like everything else in the world seems to be nowadays), on the one hand it is a great source of inspiration,unity and incentive for people all over the world,while on the other hand it is a tool,viciously exploited by power mad individuals for their own egoistic purposes.

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Originally posted by Acid Junkie that is to piss xtians off... and also because of music i listen to. it's just my style, u silly bum

you must be really cool

btw religion itself isnt really something to hate. thats like hating hammers because people are always running around pounding on shit with them. Its a tool. Plain and simple. Its just as much a tool as the internet or a screwdriver (non alcoholic). Why dont you hate yourself and other people for being stupid and doing bad shit be it in the name of Ala,god,satan, anarchy, or just plain old shittiness.

orbax- this is probably the smartest post i have read by you.

Ok, I am somewhere in between all of this mess.

I do not believe in organized religion.

I was brought up to be catholic, and as I got older, I realized how much I disagreed with what they were teaching me. I had a priest tell me in confession once that I had to promise not to sin ever again. Number one, telling an eleven year old never to sin again is ridiculous. According to catholics, stupid shit like masturbating is sinning, so I knew I was doomed. I told him I was human, and that I will sin again in my lifetime, and he got angry and made me say an extra 20 'O fathers'. Number two, I don't believe I need to confide in a priest to speak to God. What gives priests a higher power to speak with Him (especially if we are all equal beings), and I can't speak to Him on my own terms? There were other things, but I wont bore you

So when I was 13, my mother and I switched our religion to Pentecostal. Now, this was my mothers idea. I did not want to go through with it, but my mother had a high influence on my decisions. About a year after I was baptized as a Pentecost, I discontinued going to church all together, except for the rare occasion. I became discouraged since I didn't feel that it was right to just "change" your religion, and I had a lot of questions of what I believed in anymore. It was also really difficult for me to continue going to the new church since I was one of the very few white teens, and was always being made fun of by the majority of the african american group. That also made me question how 'good' these people were...?

Then once I got into highschool, I was introduced to the likes of many religions, and I went on a few years of pondering what was right, what was wrong, and what I believed. Learning about other religions and questioning all of that. I went to church a few times here and there with my mother to make her happy. But one of the experiences at church really made me come to the conclusion that I did. It was a play that the church did for the congregation.

It was a play called "Heavens Gates, Hells Flames." It was basically a whole bunch of short skits put together to make a big play. They would show a scenario of people who were 'good' or 'bad' and then they would die. Then some would go to hell, some went to heaven. The message they sent across to me was something I totally 100% disagreed with. So I decided that if that was what the church stood for, I wanted to be no part of it.

It made me realize that you do not have to go to a man made building to believe in something. You do not need to sing man made songs, and give dirty money man created, to believe in a higher being. And that if you chose not to do so, that you were not going to hell. I decided for myself that God was better than what we have made him seem to be.

So yes, I believe in God, I believe in Him as being the higher power. However, I choose not to be part of a group/cult to prove my beliefs. I speak to God on my own terms, in the way I choose to. I worship in a different way than religious people do, and if that makes me evil, well tough. I try to be a good person, and I do what I feel are the right things to do. I am an open believer in my own right. I am not ashamed of what my ethics are. And if I am wrong, I believe God will take mercy on me, and realize that I did not know any better, and that I did what I believed was best.

So I suppose I am half and half. Don't believe in religion, but do believe in God.

(Sorry if that was a long explanation. Figured I would be questioned since I am an 'in-betweener')

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Originally posted by Theresa Ok, I am somewhere in between all of this mess. I do not believe in organized religion.

My thoughts as well.....
As far as I see it, belief and faith are all well and good. But the issue of faith is not a community thing, it is between one individual and that which they believe in. Too many bad things are caused by organized religions telling people arbitrarily what "God wants them to do".

One man/woman's belief is their business.

MrS

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel orbax- this is probably the smartest post i have read by you.

whats that supposed to mean

EDIT** oh never mind you werent here for the famous Orbax/Davinox debates of 2001/2002 look up the old stuff on abortion, god, and things like that, lots of neat stuff in there ;D



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catholics are just like anyone else (my 99% of people are either stupid or retarded or both theory) and catholics have a large number of people employed. So you are gonna get a lot more morons telling you stuff. I disagree with catholic teaching on stuff like the macabees yada yada, all that other bullshit like :never sin again: is no where even REMOTELY in any bible. its just some nut power tripping. Like I said its a tool. Some people use hammers to hit people in the head instead of build shelters for the homeless, yes?