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Originally posted by Cyrus King But Hussein is different, he used murder to get him up their and control his society.... anyone that using that method can instill fear into their population thus making them beckon to his knees. His tactics were also inspired from Stalin...so in essence he is using someone elses approach He did everything by force and not brains

not correct stalin and sadam wanted to rule their countries for their own wishes and to apply their idea of a country and society they will want and thats diffrent from what bush want bush think more on his country then himself

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Originally posted by Cyrus King But Hussein is different, he used murder to get him up their and control his society.... anyone that using that method can instill fear into their population thus making them beckon to his knees. His tactics were also inspired from Stalin...so in essence he is using someone elses approach He did everything by force and not brains

Well perhaps his tactics were inspired by Stalin, but I think it may be easier said than done to maintain a coherent command and control system, yet never letting any element of that system consolidate enough power to challenge his own. I guess he would have to train up a significant secret police and conduct systematic purges to diversify his underlings. Yet he couldn't be TOO brutal otherwise the mentality of his underlings would be to kill him before he inevitably killed them. It would be an interesting paper to write, but I would wager to say that there really aren't too many long-lived stupid dictators or that a dictatorship cultivates intelligence (and a maniacal personality as well I'm sure).

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Okay, please tell me your kidding? Please tell me you aren't serious!

ok i admit i was over reacting i dont admire him and stuff and i dont think he is the best president ever but i will say that he is better then clinton


Oh and cyrus king i forgat to tell you that the quote you have on your sig was said in a similer way by a general in the us army i dont remmember his name he said : ?we need to kill ben laden and let god decide what to do with him"

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Originally posted by Viber ok i admit i was over reacting i dont admire him and stuff and i dont think he is the best president ever but i will say that he is better then clinton

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Bush's foreign policy is shit comapred to Clinton's. I can't say about hsi fiscal/economic policy because I'm not really into that, you'd have to ask occrider. But I believe that overall, Clinton was by FAR a better president that Bush. I'm not just saying that because I'm a a democrat, I'm saying that because that's simply the truth. Clinton, at least, was able to finish up what he started.....

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I'm not just saying that because I'm a a democrat,...

Yes, you are.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Bush's foreign policy is shit comapred to Clinton's. I can't say about hsi fiscal/economic policy because I'm not really into that, you'd have to ask occrider. But I believe that overall, Clinton was by FAR a better president that Bush. I'm not just saying that because I'm a a democrat, I'm saying that because that's simply the truth. Clinton, at least, was able to finish up what he started.....

you know what now when i think about it i dont think any of us can judge bush right now he need to finish his term in order for us to say he is better/worse then clinton i mean we dont know yet the rusult of him as president of the united states


so lets just wait and see

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Originally posted by Viber you know what now when i think about it i dont think any of us can judge bush right now he need to finish his term in order for us to say he is better/worse then clinton i mean we dont know yet the rusult of him as president of the united states so lets just wait and see

Great point.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Bush's foreign policy is shit comapred to Clinton's. I can't say about hsi fiscal/economic policy because I'm not really into that, you'd have to ask occrider. But I believe that overall, Clinton was by FAR a better president that Bush. I'm not just saying that because I'm a a democrat, I'm saying that because that's simply the truth. Clinton, at least, was able to finish up what he started.....

Absolutely right ... Bush was not elected for his foreign policy so much as his domestic agenda. America didn't want anything to do with foreign agendas after the messes in Somalia, Kosovo, etc. I'm not going to say Clinton would have made all the right decisions following 9/11, but I will say this ... his diplomatic savvy would have been quite a plus. As for Bush's domestic agenda ... we'll know how effective it is in a year or two. It's really quite difficult to say how effective fiscal and monetary policies are due to recognition lags in the market and the fact that there are a million factors affecting a trillion dollar economy.

Edit: Oh and by absolutely right I mean with respects to Clinton's foreign policies and international country to country relations being better than Bush's

And yes we'll have a better idea of how stupid or how not stupid Bush really was at the end of his presidancy. It'll certainly be an interesting time for history books.

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Originally posted by Viber not correct stalin and sadam wanted to rule their countries for their own wishes and to apply their idea of a country and society they will want and thats diffrent from what bush want bush think more on his country then himself

LOL!!! dood stop sucking on Bush's feet. I know that NOW he's trying to do something in the middle east, some peace aproach ( something that he left behind for a long time ).. but come on, dont let that make you say things like that. LOL! If he cared for his country, he would actually care about his country's problems instead of throwing away money on the military.. yes! throwing away, because nothing good has come out of it.. well, maybe some little things but not to the degree to compensate the spendis he's done.

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Originally posted by Viber you know what now when i think about it i dont think any of us can judge bush right now he need to finish his term in order for us to say he is better/worse then clinton i mean we dont know yet the rusult of him as president of the united states so lets just wait and see

eeeeeeemmmmmmm almost oner year left buddy.. and what has he done?!?! Everyone knows that 9/11 saved his ASSSS!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Viber you know what now when i think about it i dont think any of us can judge bush right now he need to finish his term in order for us to say he is better/worse then clinton i mean we dont know yet the rusult of him as president of the united states so lets just wait and see

well...i guess you never know how much someone can do in a little bit of time. we'll see how much Bush has accomplished at the end of his term.

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Originally posted by Shakka Yes, you are.

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