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Originally posted by TranceCluber mayb they are sick of producing cheesy trance ... but then again on another note mayb its not worth producing anymore with the lack of money producers get in this industry!....honeslty i think many of you are at fault for the download of mp3 and ect not directed to anyone in particular all im saying is many of you download numerous mp3s and never once bought a record ..i dont care if your a dj or whatever if you like the music and its a big part of your life some of you need to get off your asses and help support the scene and actually help support the producers by buying records... we are all at fault with the mp3s but i guess thats the new age things now mp3s but we still need to buy records and support them in that way. Because we can keep on crying all day on these boards by producers are losing intrest and stop doing what they used to do .. and actually do something about it something positive for the scene not just take from it . i mean i dont really like flutlicht much but its the same rather its any genre out there.. Record labels are going out of business left and right , producers dont make shit for money... and all we can do is bitch when they decide to stop producing. Music is a big part of who i am and many of you feel the same way about them selfs i just think its our responsiblity to not let it go down hill and finally pay for shit sometimes. Because this music scene doesnt last forever it can be gone tomarrow and its up to us to make it stay longer and help support it. Many of you will respond to this saying ohh i pay for recrods here and there i dont care who you are or how much you say you buy all im saying is you know who you are when it comes to buying and helping this scene. To buy records once in a while is too much to ask for then i serioulsy think you should reconsider being a supporter of this music. and like i said you know who you are !!!! so stop bitching about producers quiting because honeslty its all on you i bet flutlicht wouldnt quit if they were getitng paid decent money. just muy 2 cents

That's strange,since not once did Reverb mention mp3s in his entire closing statement.And I'm not gonna bother to take the whole fucking mp3-debate again,but if you think mp3s are the sole reason for Reverb's resignation,then you are very very ignorant.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's strange,since not once did Reverb mention mp3s in his entire closing statement.And I'm not gonna bother to take the whole fucking mp3-debate again,but if you think mp3s are the sole reason for Reverb's resignation,then you are very very ignorant.

i think you should read it again ....i said mp3 downloading is a big reason of record sales being lower ...i know this because i work with a record store and i know many producers who dont make shit for money because the label doesnt sell enough records... so if you read my post through and payattention i never said mp3 were the soul reason of them stopping.. but posibily not making any cash for there production being a reason .... and second if you think what i said about mp3 and record sales is wrong and that people should support and buy records of the artist then you know what your selfish little prick because you gaining from there work and i bet you never bought a record put up 10$ once in a while for a record .... sorry if thats the case your selfish. For example if someone called him self a big flutlicht fan has all there songs on mp3s...but never bought a record of theres or a cd that contain one of there songs or anything from them ... tell me how good of a fan is that person. I mean if you love someones work so much isnt it worth saving some money and buying there records ...thats the point im getting at

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That's strange,since not once did Reverb mention mp3s in his entire closing statement.And I'm not gonna bother to take the whole fucking mp3-debate again,but if you think mp3s are the sole reason for Reverb's resignation,then you are very very ignorant.

i doubt mp3s are the SOLE reason for quitting, but i'd be willing to bet that it did contribute it. i mean, the kid is 22 or something like that. i'm sure he has bills to pay and producing trance for peanuts probably isn't cutting it. losing interest in trance is probably still the main reason though.

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Originally posted by TranceCluber i think you should read it again ....i said mp3 downloading is a big reason of record sales being lower ...i know this because i work with a record store and i know many producers who dont make shit for money because the label doesnt sell enough records... so if you read my post through and payattention i never said mp3 were the soul reason of them stopping.. but posibily not making any cash for there production being a reason .... and second if you think what i said about mp3 and record sales is wrong and that people should support and buy records of the artist then you know what your selfish little prick because you gaining from there work and i bet you never bought a record put up 10$ once in a while for a record .... sorry if thats the case your selfish. For example if someone called him self a big flutlicht fan has all there songs on mp3s...but never bought a record of theres or a cd that contain one of there songs or anything from them ... tell me how good of a fan is that person. I mean if you love someones work so much isnt it worth saving some money and buying there records ...thats the point im getting at

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so stop bitching about producers quiting because honeslty its all on you i bet flutlicht wouldnt quit if they were getitng paid decent money.

No offense,but this statement right here sounds a hell of a lot like you're placing all the blame on mp3 downloaders.So it is no surprise that I interpreted it that way. I'm glad that you don't see it that way,tho

And once again I repeat:the industry seems to forget that mp3s are the main reason that many people buy even more records from artists who need it,and the main reason for even getting into the scene in the first place.That is true in my case,and in countless others,esp here on TA.

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Originally posted by TranceCluber i think you should read it again ....i said mp3 downloading is a big reason of record sales being lower ...i know this because i work with a record store and i know many producers who dont make shit for money because the label doesnt sell enough records... so if you read my post through and payattention i never said mp3 were the soul reason of them stopping.. but posibily not making any cash for there production being a reason .... and second if you think what i said about mp3 and record sales is wrong and that people should support and buy records of the artist then you know what your selfish little prick because you gaining from there work and i bet you never bought a record put up 10$ once in a while for a record .... sorry if thats the case your selfish. For example if someone called him self a big flutlicht fan has all there songs on mp3s...but never bought a record of theres or a cd that contain one of there songs or anything from them ... tell me how good of a fan is that person. I mean if you love someones work so much isnt it worth saving some money and buying there records ...thats the point im getting at

a lot of the reasons i think you'll find is stress, marco works his ass off, and at such a young age he's done so much, yet maybe isn't happy in life, it's nothing to do with him deciding prog is better or he doesnt like the music anymore, its that he needs a break, a change, not 20 hour days producing to deadlines, and hopefully with one, he'll come back stronger, if not, he's done enough to prove.

For ppl saying he was flutlicht/shokk, remember that Dani DJs for Flutlicht & Claudio for SHOKK and i hope they produce together, but marco will be missed by his true fans.

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Originally posted by TranceCluber mayb they are sick of producing cheesy trance ... but then again on another note mayb its not worth producing anymore with the lack of money producers get in this industry!....honeslty i think many of you are at fault for the download of mp3 and ect not directed to anyone in particular all im saying is many of you download numerous mp3s and never once bought a record ..i dont care if your a dj or whatever if you like the music and its a big part of your life some of you need to get off your asses and help support the scene and actually help support the producers by buying records... we are all at fault with the mp3s but i guess thats the new age things now mp3s but we still need to buy records and support them in that way. Because we can keep on crying all day on these boards by producers are losing intrest and stop doing what they used to do .. and actually do something about it something positive for the scene not just take from it . i mean i dont really like flutlicht much but its the same rather its any genre out there.. Record labels are going out of business left and right , producers dont make shit for money... and all we can do is bitch when they decide to stop producing. Music is a big part of who i am and many of you feel the same way about them selfs i just think its our responsiblity to not let it go down hill and finally pay for shit sometimes. Because this music scene doesnt last forever it can be gone tomarrow and its up to us to make it stay longer and help support it. Many of you will respond to this saying ohh i pay for recrods here and there i dont care who you are or how much you say you buy all im saying is you know who you are when it comes to buying and helping this scene. To buy records once in a while is too much to ask for then i serioulsy think you should reconsider being a supporter of this music. and like i said you know who you are !!!! so stop bitching about producers quiting because honeslty its all on you i bet flutlicht wouldnt quit if they were getitng paid decent money. just muy 2 cents

don't you rip for a ripping group though? so that'd make you more to blame than most?

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Originally posted by Az don't you rip for a ripping group though? so that'd make you more to blame than most?

im debating on if i want to do that anymore but ...i dont mind people downloda mp3s when they still buy records on the side u know ..i just cant stand people who leech over and over again and never purchase anyting.... and yes i can be blamed for a lot of stuff but believe me i dont release everythign i have i just do enough to get access to unreleased material because i dj weekly at venue and i want to be up to date with material but i always buy the vinyl of the records i truely play and like. i dont use soulseek or any p2p programs anymore for the reason of sharing i only share with fellow dj buddies. all im saying its not much to ask for and if everyone would buy records once in a while the whole mp3 industry wouldnt be as bad as it is...like i said before in a previous im guilty for mp3s but i mean we can still do things to help these producers out like use mp3s as new unreleased material and to see what tracks ud want to buy... its just sad to see labels going out of business and producers not making enough money and i just think everyone that downloads numerous mp3s should start buying some records and cds ...

thats flipped, i quite enjoyed some of them there tracks...tiz a shame

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Originally posted by TranceCluber mayb they are sick of producing cheesy trance ... but then again on another note mayb its not worth producing anymore with the lack of money producers get in this industry!....honeslty i think many of you are at fault for the download of mp3 and ect not directed to anyone in particular all im saying is many of you download numerous mp3s and never once bought a record ..i dont care if your a dj or whatever if you like the music and its a big part of your life some of you need to get off your asses and help support the scene and actually help support the producers by buying records... we are all at fault with the mp3s but i guess thats the new age things now mp3s but we still need to buy records and support them in that way. Because we can keep on crying all day on these boards by producers are losing intrest and stop doing what they used to do .. and actually do something about it something positive for the scene not just take from it . i mean i dont really like flutlicht much but its the same rather its any genre out there.. Record labels are going out of business left and right , producers dont make shit for money... and all we can do is bitch when they decide to stop producing. Music is a big part of who i am and many of you feel the same way about them selfs i just think its our responsiblity to not let it go down hill and finally pay for shit sometimes. Because this music scene doesnt last forever it can be gone tomarrow and its up to us to make it stay longer and help support it. Many of you will respond to this saying ohh i pay for recrods here and there i dont care who you are or how much you say you buy all im saying is you know who you are when it comes to buying and helping this scene. To buy records once in a while is too much to ask for then i serioulsy think you should reconsider being a supporter of this music. and like i said you know who you are !!!! so stop bitching about producers quiting because honeslty its all on you i bet flutlicht wouldnt quit if they were getitng paid decent money. just muy 2 cents

cant blame ppl that dl music really. technology is always changing and if you are unable to grasp it, then it is your loss. Im not saying music piracy is ethically right, but producers should be aware that music piracy is out there and should look to make money by doing other things. . . such as djing more gigs (perhaps on a global scale) and promoting their shit more. I know for a fact that these guys rarely came to the US so yea.

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I don't think Marco has something against MP3s.

I think it MUST be more the situation in our country.

When I figured out that SHOKK & Flutlicht were swiss, I went crazy! I started following their position in the swiss trance culture.

I don't need to tell what they managed to get in Europe! But in swiss, all the time from their upcoming until now, the big event organisators piss on them!

Last year I was VERY angry at the organisators of Energy (the biggest indoor event during the year!), they didn't even invite neither Flutlicht nor SHOKK!

This year they seemed to invite both, but what do both get? They both play at the same time, for about 30 minutes of time! And this at 7.30 in the morning! WTF?!

And first the MAIN DJs in swiss didn't even notice them, since they WERE a BIG menace for them, since DJ Natron & DJ Giotto had such a talent in DJing but what counts even more, with Marco in the back, they managed to produce such energetic tunes all the Trance DJs over the world played it! Except for the swiss.. Suckers! The club owners (such as DJ Mind-X) didn't invite them at all to their clubs, or even tried to get them for their own team, of course wanting them to release their tunes under their own name. (But they didn't give a fuck for even thinking about to release their tunes BEFORE they had such a success).

Now it's still quite the same, except for Marco produces for DJ Energy AND DJ Tatana, under THEIR name, and I don't think they really appreciate it.

Besides, the scene in swiss is getting more and more Hardstyle!

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