ok first off i wasnt hating on vdm simply because everyone is slaggin tiesto, not at all im not that bad!! lol

but in my opinion crystal clouds wasnt good at all if sumone told me it was by vdm i wud have said bullshit, it just sounds very....i dunno its hard to describe! i just dont like it and i think he can do a shit load better.

secondly about the remix of reform, i read it a long time ago like a month or 2 after it came out so i cant remember exactly all that was said but i no for certain that tiesto already had that melody and sound cause that was to be urban train, but when he was asked to do the remix he decided to use those sounds etc for the remix as he wasnt to happy with the production that was urban train, but after he remixed he said he grew to really like the melody and decided to go ahead and reease urban train and he said he was shcoked at the response cause thats now creditied by most as his best track.

dont quote me on where i read it im like 75% sure it was an interview on a website but not fully certain. but they worked closly 2 gether on that one thats y they sound alike, i no that much.

but come on do u honestly think that nexus asia, crystal clouds etc etc is better than urban train,flight 643,nyana etc etc imo these tracks simply are in a league of their own!

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Originally posted by jamiepollock643 ok first off i wasnt hating on vdm simply because everyone is slaggin tiesto, not at all im not that bad!! lol but in my opinion crystal clouds wasnt good at all if sumone told me it was by vdm i wud have said bullshit, it just sounds very....i dunno its hard to describe! i just dont like it and i think he can do a shit load better. secondly about the remix of reform, i read it a long time ago like a month or 2 after it came out so i cant remember exactly all that was said but i no for certain that tiesto already had that melody and sound cause that was to be urban train, but when he was asked to do the remix he decided to use those sounds etc for the remix as he wasnt to happy with the production that was urban train, but after he remixed he said he grew to really like the melody and decided to go ahead and reease urban train and he said he was shcoked at the response cause thats now creditied by most as his best track. dont quote me on where i read it im like 75% sure it was an interview on a website but not fully certain. but they worked closly 2 gether on that one thats y they sound alike, i no that much.

But the original mix of Re-Form sounds like Urban Train also, not just the Tiesto remix. Not trying to slag anyone off either, but what you said doesn't really compute...

woah, can't believe I didnt noticed this thread...

Hmmmm, I agree that both men are quality producers - but in saying that VdM's works are more 3-dimensional and that Tiesto's are not is something that I can't understand. He's remix of FLESH 2002 is multi-deminsional as a track could get - not only that, but each channel of layers flow PERFECTLY with one another - the bassline as the blueprint, while the harmony, riffs, and Jan's voice respond to it in extremely tasteful fashion. Blew me away the first time I heard it - IMO, I would probably consider this the PERFECT remix.

I'm not a Tiesto fanboy [even though Traffic is a quality production, it does not appeal to me] but I must say that Tiesto's productions are definitely more innovative and more creative. Look @ Nyana - taking the roots and fundamentals of trance and making it sound fresher than ever. Yes, there are traces of the old formula but he takes it and applies it to a whole new level. How? By not being so typical and DARES to add and create sounds/instruments that are not considered "epic" ...
Crystal Clouds - f00kin ch00n indeed, but in terms of innovation - theres not much. However, I really do like the "addiontal works"... The really funky bassline in Track 1 combined with that ever so calming melody provides a very good contrast - good stuff indeed.

IMO, the typical uplifting Dutch sound has been perfected, and its time to move on, Tiesto is JUST only one of THOSE who are trying to push the scene to higher possiblities...




also, J00F ownz!!!

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Originally posted by jamiepollock643 god u really have no fuking clue do u! lethal industry flight 643 urban train nyana in my memory dallas 4pm traffic ALL DONE BY TIESTO AND TIESTO ALONE!!!! magik journey obsession THE 2 MIN INTRO TO MAGIK JOURNEY IS GEERT HUUNICK(i cant remember how to spell his name) and junkie xl said in a interview he had such little input with obsession hes suprised he was even mentioned!! SO DONT TALK UTTER BULLSHIT ABOUT TIESTO NOT MAKING HIS OWN TRACKS!!! AND DONT TALK CRAP ABOUT HIM NOT BEING A GOOD DJ CAUSE U REALLY DO MAKE UR SELF SOUND LIKE THE MOST IDIOTIC PERSON ON EARTH!! YEAH HES CRAP THATS Y HE IS NO.1 DJ IN THE WORLD IM SOOO FUKIN SICK OF THIS OH LETS SLAG TIESTO FOR EVERYTHING SIMPLY BECAUSE HES NO.1 THAT JUSTIFIES OUR TOTALLY FUKIN STUPID REMARKS. SERIOUSLY FUKING GROW UP AND STOP BEING SUCH COMPLETE ASSHOLES. TIESTOS NO.1 SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST NO OTHER DJ IN THE WORLD IS BETTER CANT WAIT TO SEE THE REPLIES OH OH IM BETTER! ETC ETC WELL IF U "THINK" U ARE Y ARENT U PLAYING ALL OVER THE WORLD TO THE MILLIONS THAT TIESTO PLAYS TO! AND I COULDNT GIVE A FLYING FUK IF U DONT LIKE WOT IM SAYING BECAUSE ITS THE TRUTH. STOP FUKIN ATTACKING EVERY LITTLE THING HE DOES SIMPLY BECAUSE HES NO.1!! IM SOOO FUCKING SICK OF IT SO GROW UP U PATHETIC LOOSERS!

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heres an idea.........um no! im stating my view and saying i am sooo sick of some people on this board slagging tiesto for every little thing he does it doesnt matter to them at all, they dont care they just want to try and be cool and jump on the bandwagon. now i fully admit that i took it out of purportion and i apologise fully for all the caps and the cursing. again im sorry for this! And i have to say that vincents new track is total garbage u think this guy produces better tracks that tiesto! imo vincents new one sounds very very amateurish and bland with no excitment wot so ever to it. Again people i totally apologise for my outburst been a looooong ass day just so im sorry

me grow up? why dont you grow up. just because i said something you object to, i am a child. i dont consider my response childish, and i said some of those tracks, and can you please point out in my post where i bashed tiesto? i cant find that part. when i know of those tracks you listed, since i dont have the others on vinyl, is that wiht urban train he did it with kid vicious, as it CLEARLY states on the vinyl, and obsession and magik journey were done with geert huinink, so why dont you grow up, and respond without crazy outburst because someone said something about your beloved tiesto. i like dj tiesto too, so fuckin chill.

Ya gotta remember that Tiesto is kinda goin' back a few years. I'm not trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about because i only just found out about his album "In My Memory", but since i checked out his DC i realised that there have been SOOOOOOO many more original tracks since then.

My theory is:

Listen to music and dont worry about who's better.

I reckon a lot of people on this site have more potential than Tiesto himself, its just the simple fact that in this year, 2003, it is so damn hard to come up with something original.

neverending debate!

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these kind of threads make me sick! even if you don't agree with each other why can't you act like civilized people? where has all the love and respect gone?




i agree with what this guy said!

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Originally posted by meneedit My theory is: Listen to music and dont worry about who's better.

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BTW this thread is fucked because it just comes down to personal taste.

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Originally posted by Breeze Balleric Bill "destination sunshine" (tiesto POWER mix) BTW this thread is fucked because it just comes down to personal taste.

Or because you keep repeating yourself...

Or maybe because you keep repeating yourself?

Yes, opinions it definitely is, and in my opinion Vincent is a more talented producer. He seems to be able to produce great tracks with an amazing consistency.

Mmmmm... Melodic-ness...

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I'd say that de Moor is the better of the two.

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Originally posted by Vesa I think VDM's genious is not about any individual track, but about his pioneering vision which enables him to make tracks which are pure melodic trance but without many cliches. For example, Green Heaven is structurally quite similar to countless other melodic tunes, but does the basic sections in its own authentic way without typical drum and synth formulas etc. VDM's tunes are also energetic, as if it was trance with the drive of house music. For example, Between 2 Fires and Worlds Of Doubt are tracks that I hate but still respect. Tiesto's Flight 643 is also energetic, but I prefer VDM's particular melodic style. There may have already been a few near-perfect melodic tracks from the Dutch masters (like VDM's Green Heaven), but the Dutch sound still has life in it. I'm not sure, but it often sounds like most releases were made in a day or something. If the producers had used many weeks to improve their sounds and tune structure, they might have been in the same league as VDM, instead of stalling to pre-2000 sound. Tiesto has moved away from the basic melodic style, but similar innovative experiments have been made within Dutch melodic trance. Like VDM - No Hesitation , for example.

WHAT A TUNE!

VDM is the man!

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