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Originally posted by dj adagnitio 112 million a year.

half of which are taken by me.


but seriously ecstacy is not the bad drug everybody makes it out to be.

take the doctor who invented (don't know his name), he said that more people have died in one year from eating peanuts than have died from taking ecstacy since it was discovered. so why not ban peanuts. hmmmm.


If people want to take ecstacy then who are you to judge them. its a well known fact that alchohol has caused a million times more grief and suffering than ecstacy. so when you put it in a proper perspective then it just makes all these do good campaigners look rather stupid

Biggest danger of "Ecstasy" nowadays is getting pills that are adulterated with substances other than MDMA, which could prove very harmful and even lethal sometimes, especially if combined with other drugs. Since many manufacturers of the drugs don't give a shit about anything except their own wallets, the chances are unfortunately big that they'll mix whatever they can get their hands on in their pills, regardless of if two or more of the substances they put in a pill may interact dangerously with eachother when consumed.

For MDMA, the active chemical in "real ecstasy" the risks are relatively low in comparison to other things if the user is responsible and takes necessary precautions such as staying hydrated, take breaks from dancing (if dancing) and not overdoing it. Using the substance too often can result in terrible side effects though, but i'd dare saying taking breaks of 2-3 months between each session would keep a person relatively unexposed to most side effects.

There are testing kits to screen pills for MDMA, however, those kits can not tell if pills containing MDMA contain other substances (which might interact badly with MDMA - or increase body load to an excessive level) as well.

Risk Assessment

I also don't like to use the term ecstasy anymore, especially since when media reports a case of death, they use the term ecstasy without any regard to what actually was in the "ecstasy".. Just because ecstasy ment MDMA 20 years ago, doesn't mean it does today.. So to me it's really unclear how many of the (in that DEA table for example) of the Ecstasy emergency cases were actually caused by MDMA and not some other crappy shit stuffed into a pill for quick profit.

About the deaths btw, did anyone think of that if a substance wasn't illegal, it's purity could be controlled, people could dose correctly without risking OD'ing or getting something they don't want inside them, and criminal organisations benefitting from sales of a substance would no longer benefit from it.

[annoyed]terms like 'fucked' and 'pilling' shines from e-tardness, and imo they don't reflect any of what you'd want from a MDMA experience.. If you want to get 'fucked', just sniff some gasoline or glue, or bang your head into the wall a few times.. [/annoyed]

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Originally posted by Purple_Heart You guys just keep telling yourselfs that .... There is a reason they call it a drug and not a vitamin ....

anything you ingest that isn't fuel (i.e food or oxygen)

is theoretically a drug.

As the definition of a drug is a substance that will change a physical process or disrupt a homeostatic process in the body.

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I understand what u guys are saying but the majority of users are idiots and do mix it with other drugs and its really killing the scene, no more apparent than here in Houston. Raves, outdoor parties or what ever you want to call them have been completely banned here and the blame is solely on X. So I mean you can see where the anger comes in, I mean to each its own but X to me suxors, its all about the music IMO.

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Top Tracks ATM
Nikola Gala - Blue Impulse
Ozgur Can Feat. Nick Beman - Not Even Winds
Powerplant - Turn It To Gold (Madoka's Mix)
Sultan & The Greek - Wadi (Original Mix)
Carlos Vives - Comu Tu (Paul Oakenfold Mix)
Bjork - Violently Happy (Mercurio Mix)

Bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't need that to dance 10 hours in a row! I just need coca cola and fresh water!

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Originally posted by Ste so your trying to say for every 1 person who takes E, there are 20,000-30,000 who take cannabis/cocaine? no score im afraid.

i wouldn't throw out such a number, but there are definatly alot more people out there who smoke pot and do cocaine (i'm pretty sure that the cocaine also includes crack related) than people who pop E. (and remember this is in the United States)
because of there are so many more people out there who do those drugs, it would skew the results to a higher number of emergency room visits (maybe not a higher rate, which would be the percentage of ER visits vs. number of users).
and i'm sure the data for this graph were very loosly compiled in that, someone who was too stoned to walk and fell down the stairs and broke his arm was brought to the ER and the visit was another tick mark for marijuana related ER visits.
the same is true when people try to justify illigal drugs by saying that there is so much more higher rates of damage done by alcohol than by any illigal substance. well duh, of course the numbers are gonna be higher because almost everyone drinks alcohol, and not nearly as many people do illigal drugs in comparison.

i'm not trying to say that ecstasy and illigal drugs in general are all very danerous. i'm quite pro-drug. but i'm just saying you gotta be careful about statistics.

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Originally posted by VaNFeCto I understand what u guys are saying but the majority of users are idiots and do mix it with other drugs and its really killing the scene,

I'm afraid that's a very common misconception. The majority of users inform themselves of the risks beforehand, and make sure to minimize any dangers. It is the FEW who are uninformed, ignorant, and just plain stupid that are ending up in the newspapers and making 'the scene' look so terrible.

fuck E

TRANCE IS THE DRUG!

everyone seems to say music is the drug and blah blah blah

but how come almost every amazing artist did drugs?

almost all the jazz greats did heroin and any other drug out there.
kurt cobain speaks for himself
elliot smith has heroin instead of blood running thru his vains
pink floyd and LSD
same with the beatles

and in the electronica scene. almost all the good producers do drugs.
sander kleinenberg breaths pot out of his lungs
sasha is a drug feind

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Originally posted by montie everyone seems to say music is the drug and blah blah blah but how come almost every amazing artist did drugs? almost all the jazz greats did heroin and any other drug out there. kurt cobain speaks for himself elliot smith has heroin instead of blood running thru his vains pink floyd and LSD same with the beatles and in the electronica scene. almost all the good producers do drugs. sander kleinenberg breaths pot out of his lungs sasha is a drug feind

you can go back to aristotle, homer, da vinci, cervantes, michelangelo, mozart, virginia woolfe, van gogh, picasso, dali, stravinsky etc. etc. etc. regardless of the artform. all of them did something. sober minds are not as not as fucked up, and therefore not as creative.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance you can go back to aristotle, homer, da vinci, cervantes, michelangelo, mozart, virginia woolfe, van gogh, picasso, dali, stravinsky etc. etc. etc. regardless of the artform. all of them did something. sober minds are not as not as fucked up, and therefore not as creative.

haha so true