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Originally posted by speedracer_mec You see God has been there for me...i feel his prescence in my life..he wants me to change from being an alcoholic and i have. I almost crashed several times in my mustang....but something supernatural has guided me away from death... But i feel like God is there for me toooo....picking me away from the bad and showing me life can be worse....

i respect your faith, but i see "presence" and "guidance" more as your own conscience (sorry about spelling) you know you can do better than being an alcoholic, you have more in your life than to wreck your car.... god is kind of a personalization of our own inner feelings/desires (the id) .... IMHO.... dont take offence though, that just the way i see it

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Originally posted by blazed it this god is obsolete thing appears to be more frequent among those in western or westernized countries,but it is not limited to them. I am personally agnostic/deist (good one occ I totally forgot this term), I don't care if somebody is religious but i hate when people preach to me about religion because I should have the damn right to believe what the hell i believe in without some foo telling me that i'm wrong or I'm going to hell or some other shit like that. I mean in the end if i'm wrong then I'm wrong. I also have beef with organized religion because I believe that once religion is organized it is usually hierachical in nature and I believe that gives too much leeway to be corrupt by the leaders and their ideals----> i.e. the pope being infallible (woo man this one has caused much pain through history) you know it's other people that appoint or proclaim the heads of their own religions ---> such as the cardinals and stuff from the catholic church who vote for whom should be the pope, politics can get into this. don't mean to pick on catholics mind you, they just have some good examples i can use. i think i may look into buddhism, it seems less a religion to me than a philosophical outlook on life, you know minus the whole reincarnation bit (i haven' done any research on it yet, but i will)

clap clap clap (for lack of a smiley... i really agree with you...esp the being preached to thing...

The church has a long history of persecuting scientists and attacking their findings. Whether you're talking about Sun centered solar system, round earth, or evolution, it doesn’t matter. The church try’s to discredit scientific theories it deems a threat, until it starts to look ridiculous then it moves on to the next theory.

Just yesterday I read “Roman Catholic leaders were claiming that the deadly HIV virus can pass through tiny holes in condoms.” This is an example of the tactics they use in their holy war against science (agenda). Too bad they'll do anything, even endanger, thousands of lives to preserve their inflexable, irrational rules.

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inhibition: Micro and Macro evolution is what the debate is on.

THE debate as in worldwide, not this thread

wow lots of good posts.

cheers to Mr. Opus.

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Originally posted by kewlness Everybody thought the world was flat before Columbus sailed around the world.

it was widely known way before columbus that the world was round. in fact the circumference of the earth was calculated i think during the classical age. and i'm pretty sure Magellan was the first to sail all the way aroun the world.

Why don't many christians stop to consider that maybe evolution was just the means that god used to put humans on this earth?
The Bible should not be taken literaly. It is a conglomeratoin of many writings written hundreds of years ago by different people who had their own agendas. Some stuff made the cut and some stuff didn't.
I grew up as a Catholic (today I would say I'm deist/agnostic, I by no means deny an existence of god, but i don't necesarily believe in the popular personified version of him, nor organized religon). I went to a Catholic school and had a pretty strong education in Catholic theology.
According to Catholic Theology, the story of Adam and Eve was used to explain man's original creation and its fall from perfection into a state of inperfection and thus the existence of Free Will which requires us to live in a physical 4 dimension (4th dimension being time) universe.
In my catholic school in science class we were taught evolution and that it was the most logical and plausable way that humans were physically created. In theology class we learned that the physical existance can be explained by evolution and that the spiritual existance can be explained by god. evolution was just a process set for by god.


now whether I believe this all I don't know. I firmly believe in evolution, i think to think otherwise is quite foolish. My current interpretation of God is the entity which encompases everything.
Humans are made up of many different systems, and one of our key buliding block is the cell. The cell is made up of chemicals which are made up of atoms, which are made up of protons, neutrons and electrons which are made up of quarks and so forth etc...
anyway, my sorta interpretation is humans are just sorta one of the building blocks of the elements that make up God.

thats sorta my understanding, i'm always thinking about it and coming up with new ideas and interpretations and thinking about the human condition.

i hope i don't offend anyone here but, i think many people who say "they feel god, or they just know exists" are not delving deep enough into things. they are living in the bliss of ignorance.
humans have many feelings which are triggered by things in thier life and by suppressed desires rooted deep in their conscious. almost everyone has some sort of desire for companionship and security (or that rock they can count on). Thus they tell themselves that god does exist and that they feel him in themselves. so they hold onto whatever they can to tell themselves it is truly there. and turn every event in their life into something they can attribute to a higher being. this is not a bad thing tho. this sense of believing in god can make people live happy lives, and shouldn't that be the purpose of life?

also most miracles can be explained scientificly. all those plagues in the old testament and moses parting the river can also be explained scientificly. but maybe thats how god works, according to natural law, in fact if he created the natural world as the creationists point out doesnt it only make sense that he follows the natural laws?

don't take all this as what i necesarily believe or do not believe. just some points i'd like to throw out to you peeps.

Living Godless and disease ridden we put our faith in the music.
For some, the only spiritual experience they get is with music.

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Originally posted by Orbax But making a life choice based on a "I read it in a science book" kind of attitude is what pisses me off.

This comment, I do not like.

How is "I read it in a science book" any better than "I read it in the bible?"

Or possibly, "I read it in the bible and confirmed it in the debunked 'research' papers of religious scientists?"

You're actually trying to liken education to ignorance. Unbelievable. I'm ALL for questioning the things one learns/hears/reads/sees, but I think that comment was a little over the top. "Science books" are far more credible sources than "religious books."


I have a philosophical question for everyone, and I want you to seriously think about it:

Do you think you would have come up with the idea of God, independently, if you hadn't gotten it from organized religion?

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Originally posted by DigiNut This comment, I do not like. How is "I read it in a science book" any better than "I read it in the bible?" Or possibly, "I read it in the bible and confirmed it in the debunked 'research' papers of religious scientists?" You're actually trying to liken education to ignorance. Unbelievable. I'm ALL for questioning the things one learns/hears/reads/sees, but I think that comment was a little over the top. "Science books" are far more credible sources than "religious books." I have a philosophical question for everyone, and I want you to seriously think about it: Do you think you would have come up with the idea of God, independently, if you hadn't gotten it from organized religion?

Amen. How can you say it's ridiculous for people to follow science based on their reading of a textbook when Christians have faith due to the Bible? It's the same thing.

Personally, I think organized religion is a sham. If you have faith, more power to you. But to only practice that faith one day out of the week makes absolutely no sense.

I'm a Buddhist, and just practice the philosophy day in and day out, I don't need to attend some sort of meeting to feel accepted. God takes on many forms for many people, as long as you're striving to be a better person because of it, that's great. But to say you're right and everyone else is wrong is ridiculous as well.

The whole religious thing I find to be sooooo silly, I want whoever is reading this thread to take a look at the link bellow and REALLY TRY to understand just how small we are and at the same time TRY to make yourself believe that something that took the form of you and me created it all. WOW, only a human could come up with narrow minded silliness. Folks, my point is this; I find it rather egotistical of us (humans) to actually think OUR god made it all. How can someone with the same brain capacity as myself have it all figured out, how can you sit there and not understand what you are, yet understand what made you? Sorry folks but your one big science experiment. Also, I there is a god that put me on the plant why would he deem it necessary for me to worship him, seems kind of weird to me. Say a pray for me.



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The Hubble Deep Filed story -
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http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/1996/01/image

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Well in light of this past summer i have gone through hell...literally. Im goin to take the post to vent about how much i have suffered in this world but yet i continue to push on ahead and look towards the light of god and the music that keeps me going on. My gf i was dating gave me herpes and clymadia this past summer..right when we decided to settle down. She broke down and fell on her knees for me and begged for forgiveness... Any other guy would of left but i needed to understand Why? Why must things like this happen..the feeling of seeing death in its face (possibly catching aids but thank god i didnt) You see God has been there for me...i feel his prescence in my life..he wants me to change from being an alcoholic and i have. I almost crashed several times in my mustang....but something supernatural has guided me away from death... im scared everybody..i dont wanna die people....i have cried and been depressed this whole entire year. My gf is all i got..i cant tell none of my friends wut i have..i have to take more than 1000 pills this year.... But i feel like God is there for me toooo....picking me away from the bad and showing me life can be worse.... I have had problems with my gurl recently...but it has all settled down..to her remorse and true love she has for me. BUt this brings me to my main topic....do yall believe in a god dat has lifted u up away from sadness.... do yall believe in the theory of evolution? some argue the theory of evolution has many flaws and not explaining the supernatural... wut do yall believe and wut does life as we know it boil down to?

- Dude. Its very good that you supported yourself with believing in god. I believe in god and if you have faith I have felt it.. Whatever, call me religious, but its worked within me, and makes me feel good.

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I consider myself an agnostic, I guess. I've considered learning more about Buddhism, though, because it's entirely spiritual and free from the brainwashing of organized religion. Instead of forcing things down people's throats, it seems to just offer a spiritual interpretation of life.

But I don't know enough about it to make a call... if I had more time I might do some serious investigation.

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