someone make a post abt there past....where all ta's can explain their pasts i think that would be a cool idea

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel i think that alot of people have made marriage a joke, which is unfortunate. However, just because some people make poor judgement doesn't mean i am going to give up on marrige. My parents have been happily married for 27 years now. Not everyone ends up in divorce. Besides, what if i was a married woman but my husband brutally beat me everyday, what am i supposed to do? Or what if i was married and my husband went around raping children all day? I think there are exeptions. When i go into my marrige i will do so with the full intention of spending the rest of my life with this person and remain faithful to them. I don't think there is anything illogical about that.

I definitely agree with what you're saying and it's certainly nicer to see a person having such views rather than the lately popular "let's fuck with everything that moves" ones. I have not tried to refute you on these issues, however. What I have tried to say is that marriage is just a formalization of a decision for commitment made earlier by both partners. If both partners decide to spend the rest of their lives together, getting married will not change that. Earlier in history it was a far reaching decision because it emphasized the commitment by making it unbreakable. Now, since the commitment officially is breakable, it's just a nice way to show others you want a long relationship with your spouse. Of course it is better to have the divorce than to be constrained for life. When you're in love you're not 100% objective about your partner, so these things can backlash on you when you least expect it. It's certainly good to have the ability to back down in such situations. The only thing you can be blamed for if something like that happens though is short-sightedness.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that with marriage made a formality sex is ok if both you and your partner are commited for a lifelong relationship, regardless of getting married or not. There, I hope that makes it clear that even though our reasons and backgrounds are as different as they can be (I'm an urban atheist kid that's always been trendy and around with most popular kids during school age), I agree 100% agree with you in substance, although not as much in form.

Btw, you still haven't told me where you've gotten that hot chick's picture

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which hot chick? that sick neked pic i posted of that old nasty oma? I hope that isn't the one you are talking about but if it is i just cut and paste it from another thread.

i see where you are comming from with the marriage deal. We have to remember that the purpose of marrige is to make a commitment to God to be united and lovely and all marrige like. So being atheist your views are perfectly understandble.

man i really hope your not talking about that nasty old lady.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel We have to remember that the purpose of marrige is to make a commitment to God to be united and lovely and all marrige like.

hmm, I dare to disagree tho I'm not a religious man. The purpouse of marriage is to make a commitment to your mate for the rest of your existance (terrenal and post-mortem), taking god's blessing, and having god as witness.

If you want sexually commitment with god you gotta go for celibacy(spelling?).

I don't know where virginity became so important for women before marriage, because is not that big deal for men.
But of course, it roots on christianism being a patriarch religion.

So you, as woman, stand up proudly with that, *sigh*. I'm not saying "go and have sex", I'm saying: "Keep in mind that this a men's imposition over women disguised as tradition". After considering that, and thinking it throughfully, if you still want to keep your virginity for other reasons, is fine by me, i'll even root for you. But I can't really understand your position being justified by those reasons .

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"Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy."

Also, as PS: I was gonna say this before but, well, thought wasn't worth a reply, now it comes as PS

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel im not completely innocent so i have a pretty good idea what the full meal deal is like.

no, believe me, you don't. Unless going all the way it's like calling potato chips a good meal (an this comparison gets way too short)

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Originally posted by DigiNut The SCUM Manifesto Lovely, ain't it? I challenge anyone to read the whole thing in one sitting.

read about four paragraphs on that thing before cracking up. wheres that "iron my shirt bitch" picture when you need it.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by electric_soul
hmm, I dare to disagree tho I'm not a religious man. The purpouse of marriage is to make a commitment to your mate for the rest of your existance (terrenal and post-mortem), taking god's blessing, and having god as witness.[QUOTE]


Then why do all marriages involve a clergyman who is invested by the power of God? And yes, the above mentioned is the majority of the marriage but you can do that without the actual ceremony. The ceremony is sealing the deal with God.

[QUOTE]So you, as woman, stand up proudly with that, *sigh*. I'm not saying "go and have sex", I'm saying: "Keep in mind that this a men's imposition over women disguised as tradition". After considering that, and thinking it throughfully, if you still want to keep your virginity for other reasons, is fine by me, i'll even root for you. But I can't really understand your position being justified by those reasons .[QUOTE]

Other reasons being:
i think sex is something very personal with me and although alot of people disagree i want to share it with only one person.
I also don't want any risk of std's or pregnancy even though this can be accomplished with safe sex. The safest sex is no sex.
Also, i have only made 2 goals in my entire life, one was to go to europe, in which i have not fulfiled, two was to wait until marriage to have sex, i feel as though i have issues following through with things and so at the very least i am going to follow through with those two things.



[QUOTE]no, believe me, you don't. Unless going all the way it's like calling potato chips a good meal (an this comparison gets way too short)[QUOTE]

fair enough!

sorry my quoting skillz suck

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Originally posted by moncster This

am i the only one who thought that was funny?

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel man i really hope your not talking about that nasty old lady.

I could be wrong, but I'm *pretty* sure he's talking about the one in your avatar (i.e. you).

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel which hot chick? that sick neked pic i posted of that old nasty oma? I hope that isn't the one you are talking about but if it is i just cut and paste it from another thread. i see where you are comming from with the marriage deal. We have to remember that the purpose of marrige is to make a commitment to God to be united and lovely and all marrige like. So being atheist your views are perfectly understandble. man i really hope your not talking about that nasty old lady.

You know, marriages exist outside of church as well. All you need to do is to sign a contract at the local court or whatever, and that's about it. So you don't have to necessarilly see marriage as a religious ceremony, you can also percieve it as a social one, one where two partners display their commitment to each other to themselves and the rest of the community.

PS. While sex is quite a pleasurable activity, I think it's been mystified too much. I'd say if you had a glimpse of it now, you can have a pretty good idea on how the whole thing is like.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I could be wrong, but I'm *pretty* sure he's talking about the one in your avatar (i.e. you).

Nah, she does look ok, but that old lady is the woman I want to bang. You can't beat that many years of experience :

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if thats the case, he's a tricky ricky. If that is the case let me know.

BTG- here is something that normal people wouldn't admit to but i am shameless so i will. I was lying in bed this morning thinking "what the hell is the deal with that iron thread... and then i finally realized (after much consideration) why it was funny.
im a n00b