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Good question. What does Canada do? Since you seem to be in all defense of your country, what has Canada done to help any suffering countries?

Actually canada lets in the most foriegn immigrants per capita in the world and if You don;t know what Canada does for foriegn aid and peace keeping well then you don;t know anything

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u Actually canada lets in the most foriegn immigrants per capita in the world and if You don;t know what Canada does for foriegn aid and peace keeping well then you don;t know anything

I do know what Canada does for foreign aid. I also know that not many foreigners want to necessarily go to Canada. I'm speaking in the terms of helping countries that are in war.

YEah I am speaking about countries that the US hasn;t gone in and bombed the shit out of .. Everyone knows what Canada does in it's humanitarian casues. And why does the UN say that Canada is the best counrty in the world to LIve in and in fact many people desire to go to Canada too...But this isn;t about Canada ...you wanna start picking on Canada go ahead.

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YEah I am speaking about countries that the US hasn;t gone in and bombed the shit out of .. Everyone knows what Canada does in it's humanitarian casues. And why does the UN say that Canada is the best counrty in the world to LIve in and in fact many people desire to go to Canada too...But this isn;t about Canada ...you wanna start picking on Canada go ahead.

And helping countries that are at war that the US help create the first place? The world is supppose to pay for Iraq when it when in and started a war that the majority of the world didn;t want.

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u YEah I am speaking about countries that the US hasn;t gone in and bombed the shit out of .. Everyone knows what Canada does in it's humanitarian casues. And why does the UN say that Canada is the best counrty in the world to LIve in and in fact many people desire to go to Canada too...But this isn;t about Canada ...you wanna start picking on Canada go ahead.

I'm not picking on Canada. I am picking on the childish way you are presenting your side of this debate.

When you sit here and complain about how "violent" America is, I want you to also contemplate, where would the world be if America hadn't stepped in? In greater ruins than you're predicting it to end up to be.

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u You know I Did some thinking and I didi get a little out of hand ...but you arguements still aren't very convincing. The fact is you you should be setting a better example on the world stage and you are not.. And you haven;t been for quite sometime and that there is trend here and it's deeply rooted in your society.And a major part of the world has a problem with the way you conduct business. You think America has to protect the world and through war! When will people change>?? never prolly and I fear that is going to be the end of us. You not everyone in the world wants what america wants. And as far as gettting kicked off ..it'll do me some good...my g/f woke up to the sound of tying at 4 am this morning and freaked on me haha

I'm sorry to break it to you ... but business is conducted the same all across the world. From the time of colonial exploitation, to vassal states, to globalization, the nature of business have retained the same basic components.

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And yes Occridder I know most of those scandals but they don;t happen in the frequency they do in America.

Sigh ... instead of paying attention to the frequency or prominence that each scandal is given by the media, why don't you look at the actual AMOUNT of money that is defrauded to consumers or the damage rendered upon that particular market. Each is in the BILLIONS.

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Also you would walk around indonesia and the middle east with an american flag on your backpac?? Go ahead and try it.....I highly doubt you would....Ever been there??????? Please Occrider?? I also wanna know?? How much travelling have you done? ?How much real life experience have you had besides the piles of information and quotes here and quotes there and you should look at this......????? Like I said there is always a source for an argument and you said it yourself. Most people liek to sit back and just say things without experiencing things first hand and really only have knowledge from the media.

Oh my ... I'm speechless again. Where, where, where to begin? Ok, well AS IF the number of countries you visited/lived in were some kind of barometer of intelligence or understanding/comprehension of world events (and I cannot help but take smug satisfaction in you mentioning indonesia) ... but since you insist, I shall indulge you with my life story:

I was born in Hong Kong and lived there for 2 years.
I lived in Jakarta, Indonesia for 4 years.
I lived in Brussels, Belgium for 4 years.
I lived in Vienna, Austria for 3 years.

During my tenure overseas I've visited every single West European country (with the exception of Scandanavia/Ireland/Portugal), and I've been to most Eastern European countries (Budapest has/had a duncan donuts, Bucharest has/had a K-mart, Nuremburg is just plain awesome with an American PX, I love that bridge in Prague, and in fuckin Warsaw the burger king gave me food poisoning), and perhaps to Drug Tito's amusement we even vacationed on a Croatian island once (don't remember the name of the island ... I only vaguely remember passing through Split).

Next year will be the first year that I've spent more time in my life in the United States than I have outside of it. Therefore, according to your standards of intelligence, I guess I've become too advanced for my physical form and have evolved into pure energy . Somebody please give me a cookie now to feed my vast and fully justified ego.

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Originally posted by occrider Somebody please give me a cookie now to feed my vast and fully justified ego.

*hands over a cookie*

I'm sorry that you got food poisoning in Warsaw. I'll cook you a real Polish meal instead.

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Next year will be the first year that I've spent more time in my life in the United States than I have outside of it. Therefore, according to your standards of intelligence, I guess I've become too advanced for my physical form and have evolved into pure energy . Somebody please give me a cookie now to feed my vast and fully justified ego.

I never said called you stupid....but you an arrogant in the way you speak and how you speak your issues. becasue the fact is alot of people don't like america for good reason.I could keep coming back with valid arguements like how each of those companies defrauded customers of billions of dollars..well bre-ex didn't but that isn't the point here becasue it was still corporate greed right. And besided I got a littl eheated in some of the stuff I said in here which was wrong of me becasue I don;t go around telling americans that they are messed up. I have alot of american friends too actually. But they say there are some deep rooted problems in their country which I'm sure you'll agree.

The reason why I posted in this forum is becasue I can vent myself and that maybe some americans will star to realize that alot of people have problems with the America. This however is not putting up a good image as a canadian.

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Originally posted by 2hardcore4u . I never said called you stupid....but you an arrogant in the way you speak and how you speak your issues. becasue the fact is alot of people don't like america for good reason.I could keep coming back with valid arguements like how each of those companies defrauded customers of billions of dollars..well bre-ex didn't but that isn't the point here becasue it was still corporate greed right. And besided I got a littl eheated in some of the stuff I said in here which was wrong of me becasue I don;t go around telling americans that they are messed up. I have alot of american friends too actually. But they say there are some deep rooted problems in their country which I'm sure you'll agree. The reason why I posted in this forum is becasue I can vent myself and that maybe some americans will star to realize that alot of people have problems with the America. This however is not putting up a good image as a canadian.

I shall make the very rare occassion of analyzing your arguments, very specifically with malice in mind, since you choose to persist with your antagonistic, confrontational, and insulting posts ...

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I never said called you stupid

No you never did, however, you did equate intelligence/understanding with how "wordly" a person is based upon the sheer number of places they have visited in their lifetime. I refer to your following statements:

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I will say one more thing that if you haven;t travelled and experienced first hand what the world truly is like outside your safe daily lives in the western world then you need to do so becasue it will change forever how you think about this world. My views on this world are immensely different than they were 2 years ago..before I travelled and saw first hand what is really going on in the world and how most people think besides america . . . And yes Occridder I know most of those scandals but they don;t happen in the frequency they do in America. Also you would walk around indonesia and the middle east with an american flag on your backpac?? Go ahead and try it.....I highly doubt you would....Ever been there??????? . . . Please Occrider?? I also wanna know?? How much travelling have you done? ?How much real life experience have you had besides the piles of information and quotes here and quotes there and you should look at this......????? Like I said there is always a source for an argument and you said it yourself. Most people liek to sit back and just say things without experiencing things first hand and really only have knowledge from the media. . . . Yeah yeah keep it coming ... a country or two???? ahhahah quite a few more than that!!! Your time is coming america! . . . And I have access to new all over the world . I read media all over the world actually.....not just the ones that are owned by a few elite.....and Actually I don;t think I am powerful...it's america that thinks it is and should be the world police force "Sugar!" By the way it's 48 countries I have been too on 6 continents

Hence considering your prioritization on the value of travel in intelligence/understanding, I emphaisized my super human intelligence (in a mocking manner) in light of my travel experiences.

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but you an arrogant in the way you speak and how you speak your issues.

Nope, this is the first you called me arrogant ... This I do not deny. I utilize a lot of sarcasm, wit (well I like to think so), doubt, and confrontational criticism in my arguments to establish my case, but I believe it's very rare that I actually resort to true arrogance. In cases such as this, however, I have no qualms about doing so as evidenced by my continuous use of blunt and unrelenting mockery which was provoked by your less than cordial pm. However, while we're on the topic of arrogance, let us paint a pretty picture of the man named 2hardcore4u:

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americans never listen to anyone except themselves ... I pride msyelf on being a Canadian ... America sucks and most of them have their heads up their asses ...Your time will come America! ... never have I been more proud to be a Canadian. I have met more asshole americans than anyone...something has to change down there... Why can't you just admist your country sucks! It's a breading ground for assholes ... I know it's natural to defend your country but admist you have a lot of problems that have to be changed. It's not just the governent either. It's tha attitude of the people. There is a reason there are sweeping generalizations because the it's the way the majority of you act. That is a problem ... The US prompotes corporate greed! ... ....I'd be scared to reduce the size of my military becasue goodness knows how many countries in the world wanna piece of you ... I'm proud that we have that sense of understanding in Canada. There is a reason why Canada is not is not picked on ... Our goverment is doing alot better than yours! . . . Actually canada lets in the most foriegn immigrants per capita in the world and if You don;t know what Canada does for foriegn aid and peace keeping well then you don;t know anything . . . Everyone knows what Canada does in it's humanitarian casues. And why does the UN say that Canada is the best counrty in the world to LIve in <occrider: check that UN development report you arrogant bastard! It's NORWAY!> and in fact many people desire to go to Canada too...But this isn;t about Canada <occrider: that's news to me> ...you wanna start picking on Canada go ahead.<occrider: I would never be so PRESUMPTUOUS to do so in the first place! >

Ok well that's all I have to say about arrogance ... yes that was very goebbel-esque of me

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I could keep coming back with valid arguements like how each of those companies defrauded customers of billions of dollars..well bre-ex didn't but that isn't the point here becasue it was still corporate greed right.

Huh? The point is, is that there are plenty of examples of Non-American companies defrauding investors of billions of dollars elsewhere ... NOT JUST IN CANADA as the world appears to revolve around.

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And besided I got a littl eheated in some of the stuff I said in here which was wrong of me becasue I don;t go around telling americans that they are messed up. I have alot of american friends too actually. But they say there are some deep rooted problems in their country which I'm sure you'll agree.

Of course there are problems in America that need to be fixed ... just as there are problems in the rest of the world that need to be fixed. If this had been your original argument (or even if your original statment had been more neutral) nobody would have complained.

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The reason why I posted in this forum is becasue I can vent myself and that maybe some americans will star to realize that alot of people have problems with the America.

You see, the problem is, is that most people who frequent this forum are INTELLIGENT people interested in INTELLIGENT discourse. By spouting your rediculous rhetoric you alienate the very people you attempt to attract to your cause. Therefore you see rediculous instances of people like Renegade (those who are extremely discontent with american foreign policy) who are actually going against your case because it is SO unfounded, SO unsupported, and SO inconceivable that you repel people.

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This however is not putting up a good image as a canadian.

No comment.




I'm saving this thread . I put a lot of time into it.

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It's hard to see how this could be anything but a troll topic.

Vague claims that America is "bad" backed up by little or no facts other than obscure references to one's personal experiences isn't a very good starting point for a political discussion.

If you have specific greivances backed up by empirical evidence, then perhaps a discourse on the matter would be possible. There are plenty of things I think are wrong with America. However, broad claims such as "most Americans have their heads up their asses", (be that as it may) offers little insight into the nature of the problem at hand, how it might be solved, etc...

To those interested in truth rather than merely in rhetoric, I can't see what this topic has to offer.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade You highly amuse me. You say you teach, and yet you make these moronic claims that make no one do anything else other than laugh.

i take pity on the students that 2hardcore4u is teaching if they are exposed to the same level of thought he expresses here.

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Originally posted by Izzy i take pity on the students that 2hardcore4u is teaching if they are exposed to the same level of thought he expresses here.

Regrettably it wouldn't surprise me. I was forced to take an introductory course in Sociology to fulfill a requirement at one point, and in order to pass the class you essentially had to pretend to be a devout Marxist...