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Originally posted by DJ Dingel Take a break. Try Zabiela, Freeland, Glaude, Barbara and then return to trance. Skip a week's ASOT. You're in so deep that you expect five new anthems each month.

This is true. You make some good points. I'm just worried about what happens if I don't like those DJs and artists compared to trance. I don't think I'll have the same connection. As cheesy as this sounds, trance is part of me. It's resonated with me on a very deep level, and I don't like losing that because of lack of innovation in the genre.

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Originally posted by tc-fan get a fucking life...stop complaining about the music....let everyone here who is enjoying it better stufff....and 98,99 was good but dont exagerate..cuase if you hear alot of tune they sound weak compaired to today most sophiticated sound...

Well, as crazy as this may sound, trance has been a huge part of my life for the past few years. I'm trying to "get a fucking life" given that an important part of it has been declining, which is why I posted.

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Originally posted by jdjd pre 99 trance was very simplistic, nowadays the sounds are much more refined, sampling and musical software is better giving you more variety of sounds, and its much better quality. all this means that trance is much more diverse now than it was then.. so keep on listening to old tunes you've heard before, you are pretty much contradicting what you are saying...

I disagree. Trance right now is copying a very narrow range of 99-style uplifting, and is doing so with a remarkably narrow range of sounds given the technology. For example, I'm listening to Lovechild - Liberta (Moonman Remix) right now. 1999. Virtually indistinguishable from the regular Armin-style trancers of the moment.

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Originally posted by mndeg im tired of people posting trance is dead posts, go listen to something else then

Well jeez, so sorry for having some investment in the music I like. I care about its evolution and am concerned by its direction.

dont make me post some wicked tracks that are bettter than 99 stuff..cuase 2003 has been the year of trance....

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i think the problem has been stated previousely. In 1999 it was much harder to get tracks, and live sets. Djs could spin the same set 2x a year (in your location) and you would only hear that set twice. But now (i know i do it) we get every single track, every single set, and rape the shit out of them. Some songs are dead even before a Dj has a chance to spin them. Then when a bunch of djs like the same songs like ATRC/Beautiful things, we hear the tracks 5 times daily, and that is to much. When i think of classic songs, they are tracks that were good, and were not played out within the first week of their release. One song that I feel is amazing is introspection, but the track will be murdered, before we even see it on vinyl. Mabe some djs like doing that so they have the upper hand. This is not only a problem in trance, but a problem in music overall. God dam internet...

I Guess 1 thing that could help trance, is if producers sat down for a longer period of time, to produce a track, and not just crank them out. Ferry said he made Punk in 5 mins, i wonder how long it took him to make gouryella/out of the blue? I mean PVD - Reflections, give me a fuckin break, some of the productions are weaker then ATB's shit. There are a bunch of ameratures on this borad that i would rather listen to, then some of the boring tunes out now.

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Hard Trance/Hardstyle...

...it's the 'in' thing, now.

I've listened to Trance from '00 - '03, and I've seen a downward spiral in quality of Trance, since the end of '02, to the beginning of '03. Back in the day, my fave used to be Tiesto. Then I tune into Digitally Imported, and listened to their stations, and Hard Trance started to own me. Since then, I've driven myself towards Hard Trance/Hardstyle, and I must say, Hennes & Cold is my new fave.

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Originally posted by Cobalt This is true. You make some good points. I'm just worried about what happens if I don't like those DJs and artists compared to trance.

according to your status, you are a progressive trance fan...progressive trance offers a much larger scope than the trance genre itself... and needless to mention that there is only a fine line between quality progressive house and quality progressive trance. you're not in such bad luck if you appreciate the prog! that's an easy way to take a break.

really, amazing music is not mass produced in any genre. the music that is and seems to keep coming out of nowhere and doing great is the most successful commercail music. hence the inaccurate equation created that makes successful, commercial music = BAD music. ( off topic - that is a flawed thinking)

there is a major problem in the fact that nothing can be "new" because it is damn old if and when it gets a release... technology has offered this great (dis)advantage that we make use of.

my thoughts for the industry should do:
i think the DJ/producer industry needs to evolve with the times.... they can't afford to have these promos that never get released. record labels need to push things quick. a song they wanna sign should be signed. that way there is no wearing out of the long awaited unreleased track! it gets the release when its new and no promos need to be leaked out.

as for djs having exclusive music, well too bad.... they'll make their own and not send promos to anyone.

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Originally posted by Cobalt I disagree. Trance right now is copying a very narrow range of 99-style uplifting, and is doing so with a remarkably narrow range of sounds given the technology. For example, I'm listening to Lovechild - Liberta (Moonman Remix) right now. 1999. Virtually indistinguishable from the regular Armin-style trancers of the moment.

i was very much into the scene 1999 and before... i don't see how you think trance today attempts to replicate a narrow range of 99 style trance. it has evolved in structure and sound... i think it might be safe to say those tracks that do attempt to copy that 99 structure are the unpleasing efforts of today. however there is evolved and changed trance out there which is actually good.

as for the liberta song, that was the one song i didn't like from moonman back then, who was ferry, not armin

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This is a very nice discussion.

I think record labels are increasingly demanding producers to dish out club friendly tunes (big beats,smaller breakdowns,simple melodies,stale basslines etc),and there is a marked reduction in quality of production and stereotyping.

So the ones that are popular are not the ones you should look out for.

One of the tracks this year that made me think back to 1999 was
Ace's Delight - Mental Theme (Ultra Trance Mix)

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and to give credit to today's producers...
i know this is tranceaddict.com which creates only extreme opinions but there are producers today who are continuing to make trance, but they keeping it interesting, doing it differently. the difference can be subtle but they are there, creating individual styles...

examples
john askew, he very much has created a nice style of his own.
nu nrg, i don't care what bashers have to say, they have a unique sound and it is banging.
second sun, totally unlike anyone else.
and then of course gabriel and dresden and others pushing the merge of progressive and energetic trance influenced dance music..
besides some of these guys, you have your lesser known producers, you never hear of them and then bang, they throw an amazing track in your face.

it's not over, its not dead. it might be at a short standstill, but like i said, good music is not mass produced and does not got come out every day. how many michelangelo's, da vinci's and van gogh's works do you know? they too did not happen every day.

welcome to Art.

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Originally posted by umes23 according to your status, you are a progressive trance fan...progressive trance offers a much larger scope than the trance genre itself... and needless to mention that there is only a fine line between quality progressive house and quality progressive trance. you're not in such bad luck if you appreciate the prog! that's an easy way to take a break.

Aside from a couple productions by Holden, Sasha, Way Out West, and Gabriel and Dresden, progressive trance has been quite dead since 2000.

Sometimes I listen to progressive house as a break from trance, but that's because I like it precisely that much in proportion to trance. I could never see it taking its place, because I usually find it very boring and sleep-inducing.

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i was very much into the scene 1999 and before... i don't see how you think trance today attempts to replicate a narrow range of 99 style trance. it has evolved in structure and sound... i think it might be safe to say those tracks that do attempt to copy that 99 structure are the unpleasing efforts of today. however there is evolved and changed trance out there which is actually good.

I can't give you any sort of technical answer to this, because I don't know how. I simply know from what I hear.

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as for the liberta song, that was the one song i didn't like from moonman back then, who was ferry, not armin

I mentioned it precisely because it was only a standard 99 tune, nothing that special, but it would cause mass hysteria if played new on the radio today. At least in my judgment it would. And I was using Armin as a comparison; I know Ferry was Moonman.

The major problem right now is that all the "best-of-the-best" guys are trying to go mainstream (ie, appeal to as many americans as possible) to get the immense $$ that that entails. And since Trance will never be anywhere near mainstream, in my opinion they're just wasting time and putting out shitty music. But for every Bunka and Reflections album out there, there's at least 5 more good ones, either live or otherwise, you just have to look a bit harder.

If anything, I'd say you're starting to get bored with Trance, not trance is dying. You'd just rather not admit that to yourself.

The next generation of trance starts here:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...p?s=&forumid=74

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