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Originally posted by DigiNut Nellie, stop posting. Just stop. Please, think of the children.

I going to have to agree....we've heard your case and there is no need for you to keep up with this ignorant dribble.

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Originally posted by PHALPAX I going to have to agree....we've heard your case and there is no need for you to keep up with this ignorant dribble.

It's not ignorant. If you don't want to read it, then just don't read it. You easily have that option to you know.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 It's not ignorant. If you don't want to read it, then just don't read it. You easily have that option to you know.

I'm quite aware of your stance. The problem I find is that you continually use the same points over and over again and fall back on logic that was used in the middle ages. Your closed mindedness on this issue draws nothing but sourness and ignorance in my mind. And in that, I cannot say my opinion is high in the context of your wisdom and reason regarding this particular issue.

But I guess your right; the freedom of speech also comes with freedom to listen.

Look Nellie, this is the last time I'm going to post a response to you unless you are willing to debate the issue. I respect your beliefs, and being a theist myself, I understand the basic precepts of your beliefs. However, this forum is not about a simple adherence to faith or a regurigitation of what we believe in ... that can take place anywhere. This forum is about debate, the understanding of the arguments of your opponent, and responding to those arguments with credible sources or a cogent argument. You appear unwilling to even read over the arguments some of us are making much less provide critical analysis of the sources we provide to refute your statements/sources. You stated that you posted a link about macro-evolution and I READ your link, and I posted my analysis/response to that link. One would expect for you to respond and post a refutation of my argument but you have yet to do so with me, and pretty much most other arguments everybody else is making. Until you begin to committ to the effort of intellectually debating the issue, I won't give you the courtesy of spending my time to attempt to rationalize the argument with you.

Edit: Ok, I know you're 16, but would you mind me asking exactly where you are from and whether you go to a public or private school? No offense intended, but I'm always curious about these things. Don't worry, I never patronize on the basis of age ... only on the quality of the argument.

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Originally posted by PHALPAX I'm quite aware of your stance. The problem I find is that you continually use the same points over and over again and fall back on logic that was used in the middle ages. Your closed mindedness on this issue draws nothing but sourness and ignorance in my mind. And in that, I cannot say my opinion is high in the context of your wisdom and reason regarding this particular issue. But I guess your right; the freedom of speech also comes with freedom to listen.

I assure you,I'm not closed minded. I keep getting asked the same questions. So why would I change my answer everytime? My sources are reliable,that's why I keep going back to them.

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Originally posted by occrider Look Nellie, this is the last time I'm going to post a response to you unless you are willing to debate the issue. I respect your beliefs, and being a theist myself, I understand the basic precepts of your beliefs. However, this forum is not about a simple adherence to faith or a regurigitation of what we believe in ... that can take place anywhere. This forum is about debate, the understanding of the arguments of your opponent, and responding to those arguments with credible sources or a cogent argument. You appear unwilling to even read over the arguments some of us are making much less provide critical analysis of the sources we provide to refute your statements/sources. You stated that you posted a link about macro-evolution and I READ your link, and I posted my analysis/response to that link. One would expect for you to respond and post a refutation of my argument but you have yet to do so with me, and pretty much most other arguments everybody else is making. Until you begin to committ to the effort of intellectually debating the issue, I won't give you the courtesy of spending my time to attempt to rationalize the argument with you. Edit: Ok, I know you're 16, but would you mind me asking exactly where you are from and whether you go to a public or private school? No offense intended, but I'm always curious about these things. Don't worry, I never patronize on the basis of age ... only on the quality of the argument.

If this forum is about debating,Then why are there topics like this one? I don't call that fair at all.

Atheists,agnostics,catholics,buddhists(sp?),muslims... I respect all their beliefs, but I also ask respect in return.

I do know what a debate is.

Yes, I'm 16. I'm an American. I'm in the good ol' state of Virginia. I'm homeschooled ( for many reasons. )

And I'm glad to hear you don't judge a person by their age. ( Hard quality to find these days. :/)

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Originally posted by arctic Please tell me you aren't serious. God's existence has never been proven, every argument for the existence of god contains a lame logical fallacy of some form or another. No doubt you will retort that you 'speak to Jesus' or something of the sort, it almost isn't worth discussing this with you, it's like talking to a brick wall. If there was indeed proof of god's existence, don't you think that it would be spread across the Internet/news services etc. rather quickly? If you showed me proof, actual, real proof, then yes, I would accept it. But sadly, no such proof exists, and if it did, what makes you so sure that a supreme being would turn out to be the Christian god. If it does turn out that the Christian god exists, then I'm pleased that I've 'refused to worship him', so to speak. As the bible clearly outlines, the Christian god has no morals or ethical standards. He condones mass killing, including that of over (40?) toddlers because they laughed at a bald man. Need I even mention the Noah's ark story, where god kills every human on earth, then decides that it wasn't such a good idea after all. The list is endless, need I even mention 'the earth is flat' fiasco? i truly don't understand how somebody could believe in rubbish like creation. Do you deny the existence of Dinosaurs? (Assuming that you're a young Earth creationist). Try reading the stuff that MisterOpus1 posted, hopefully it might open your eyes.

Read "the case for faith". I still have yet to get the title of the tape.

I don't know if it would be shown,The media only shows what it wants people to see.

Noah preached for hundreds of years and warned them. God gave them plenty of time.But they refused to see it, just as you are right now. God isn't for " mass killing ". The world was getting far to evil,HE did the world a favor.

That rubbish is MY belief,and I have a right to believe in it. You should really watch what you call rubbish, I don't go around calling your beliefs rubbish. So I ask you don't call mine rubbish. and no, I don't deny the existence of dinosaurs. and what's the pproblem with being young? I see no problem with it.

My eyes are open,Thank you.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 If this forum is about debating,Then why are there topics like this one? I don't call that fair at all.

Well in what seems to be the norm, topics may start off as humorous arguments representation one side of a view point. There is nothing wrong with that. If I post a thread dedicated to Michael Jakson's quirkiness and insinuating that he's a pedophile, am I making the case that he is a pedophile or that I'm unwilling to debate that issue intellectually? Obviously no.

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Atheists,agnostics,catholics,buddhists(sp?),muslims... I respect all their beliefs, but I also ask respect in return.

Tolerance has always been the rule in this forum. There have been a number of religous members who have openly expressed their religous affiliations without harrassement ... LiquidX (no offense bringing you to attention) comes to mind. He has openly expressed his opinion when it comes to gays and to the best of my knowledge nobody has openly flamed him with a crass, unfounded argument. I think most respect out of respect, and argue when the situation turns to argument which seems to be your experience.

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I do know what a debate is. Yes, I'm 16. I'm an American. I'm in the good ol' state of Virginia. I'm homeschooled ( for many reasons. ) And I'm glad to hear you don't judge a person by their age. ( Hard quality to find these days. :/)

Ok, I believe that you know the argumentative spirit of debate. So debate with us rather than adopt a defensive mentality that leaves no room for argument. It doesn't matter what level you want to start on this debate, simply ask or argue away and respond to the responses rationally and intelligently.

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Originally posted by occrider Well in what seems to be the norm, topics may start off as humorous arguments representation one side of a view point. There is nothing wrong with that. If I post a thread dedicated to Michael Jakson's quirkiness and insinuating that he's a pedophile, am I making the case that he is a pedophile or that I'm unwilling to debate that issue intellectually? Obviously no.

The fact of the matter is, opening a topic like this ISN'T showing respect. It's basically showing how much of an ass you(not you,just you in general if you know what I mean.) can be. It's not fair. Sure, open a topic about a debate, but don't open a topic to personally attack something.

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Ok, I believe that you know the argumentative spirit of debate. So debate with us rather than adopt a defensive mentality that leaves no room for argument. It doesn't matter what level you want to start on this debate, simply ask or argue away and respond to the responses rationally and intelligently.

I do debate, the only time I get defensive is if people step out of line and start personally attacking. ( There's no room for that in a debate. )

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You MUST bve on the sauce tonight. That mad little sense my friend.



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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 The fact of the matter is, opening a topic like this ISN'T showing respect. It's basically showing how much of an ass you(not you,just you in general if you know what I mean.) can be. It's not fair. Sure, open a topic about a debate, but don't open a topic to personally attack something. I do debate, the only time I get defensive is if people step out of line and start personally attacking. ( There's no room for that in a debate. )

The topic was raised in a manner of humor and there's no doubt about that. However, when you responded to the argument in a serious manner there were certain people who addressed your arguments directly, with facts, and respectfully. Therefore you should make every attempt to read, respect, and argue with those who addressed your arguments intelligentely rather than dismissing them with crude generalizations. You may start with MisterOpus who has argued with complete repsect and has addressed every argument you have provided with sources to back his arguments. Please respond in kind. If you do not have the credible sources or the argumentative facts to debate with him/address his statements than do not attempt to do so with baseless platitudes.

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel You MUST bve on the sauce tonight. That mad little sense my friend. MrS

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