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Originally posted by alffla mm..traffic fucking owns live...but its nothing by itself :|

yes traffic owns live

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this is it.

Let's add my point of view

I own a few of tiesto's cd's and have seen him play live in 2001 and 2002 (missed 2003 due stomach flu, then again i was going to see marco v instead!). I've followed tiesto in some regard since 2000 and he was a great deejay who mixed well and played good tracks. He played the koolhaus in oct 2001, a legendary set for all that were there that night 4 hrs. The wheels fell off mid 2002 with tiesto, dunno what happened but I'll guess his ego got big and he got big headed and decided that he did not have to pick decent tracks anymore or put effort into mixing (his lame cdj trainwreck excuse was stupid). Tiesto went from playing tracks that no one played to playing the same crap night in and night out and I lost interest. The camel's back broke in late 2002 when I went to see tiesto @ koolhaus. The venue was full, 2300 ppl in a club and the guy shows up late to his set (nice one tijs!) and then proceeds to play the worst 3 hrs and 5 mins of my life. I understand deejays have off night but this was pathetic. He played useless vocal tune after useless vocal tune (sorry raging and die another day don't cut it tijs). He trainwrecked numerous times (look you fuck up once or twice, I hate the sound but deejays are human but 7-8 fuckups). He was paid 30-40K cdn for 4 HRS! but the cdj overheats in the final hour...and he blows a gasket. I mean most deejays would have said fuck it and gone to the technics for the final hour but no after the insane amount of money he made, he runs off stage crying to his agent or manager. Good thing he did because his set was utter crap and you could have paid ppl less for it. Tiesto has tried as well to incorporate different elements into his sets which is a good thing but playing two techno tracks then going uplifting trance then something else, tells me that he is not planning his sets well anymore. It's shame that Tiesto's ego has got far too big and that his mixing has completely suffered and that the fans have suffered because he has given me some of the greatest few hrs of my life over the yrs with his club eau set, dd2002 and others and koolhaus 2001. Now I'm sure the tiesto ass lickers will come out in full force (yes yaletrance I'm talking about you). All you fools can claim that your hero has suffered this and I'm really just mean, well it is further from the truth. I always thought tiesto was a great guy till dec 2002 and then saw what fame does to people. Now tiesto is not the only one suffering from what i call the oakenfold syndrome...pvd, armin have also hit it. Tiesto wants to be like his hero well I say he become like oakenfold..top of the world to the bottom in short order and probably have to reinvent himself. It's coming soon and when this happens, I hope he takes an extended vacation somewhere say the south pacific with monique and does some thinking cuz I don't mind his new style, I'd like to see tiesto going back to giving a damn and losing the ego, he does that...I'm going back to see him live because he is capable of more but of late...utter shit. I expected this anyway because I saw oakenfold suffer it and presumed other deejays would suffer it in the yrs to come. So I look at it as a new beginning, the start of the reinvention of tiesto and maybe he can go back to picking better tracks, back to the super live dj he used to be.

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Originally posted by knowname Watching PVD spin, he does nothing with the crowd, hes always concentrating, he looks like hes working or something, not having a good time at all. He spins, he leaves, and you can say wow i saw PVD! Please. BUt tiesto, he looks like hes just there to party, and he mixes like nothing! I never really saw him beat match, or cue or anything, it was just amazing...Please come back to the bay area

You are right about PvD for the most part, but I've seen him enjoy himself a couple of times. Down in LA at the Mayan Theatre in October..he was having a great time it appeared. I was front and center taking all kinds of pictures and suddenly these two girls behind me saying "PvD is trying to get your attention..." -- I turn around, I look up and he's up there moving around pointing at me trying to get me to take a picture of him...so I point my camera at him and he puts his arms out and smiles..and I take it. It was a perfect picture, if it wasn't for a fucking green line of light smeared right across his face. Hate when that happens.

The craziest I've ever seen (or heard) about PvD in a booth was him at 1015 last June. He was going bonkers. Jumping up and down, twirling around, going crazy. Was wondering for a sec there if he was on drugs or something (but of course he wasn't...he's very against the use of any type of drugs)....the vibe at 1015 was the most intense vibe I have ever seen, although it was far too crowded for any type of comfort. 1015 is one of PvD's favorite clubs to play in in the world...he loves it there. He played in Ruby Skye in November, and didn't really enjoy it from what I've heard. Thank goodness he's back at 1015 next time he's here on May 1.

And yes, bring Tiesto back...although I think it'll be awhile. Sometime during the summer at the earliest. He's doing all the Heineken "Thirst" tour stuff -- a good part of it being in South America, Asia, and Australia. Maybe Heineken will bring the tour throgh the US, but no dates given yet...

But next time he does come back, while I _LOVE_ the sound system at the Mezzanine and the feel, I hope he gets booked at 1015 again so they can have an insane night of Kryo-use to make the crowd continuously go bonkers and keep the place cool. He's played at the Mezz the last two times he's been in SF (June 06 for the PS2 Dual Play Tour, a Spundae-produced event, and October 26 for Spundae, but it was a Sunday, not Spunday's night at 1015)...Hopefully next time he can play on a Friday night so Spundae can get him back into 1015.

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wrong dude

ask mikey mike, PvD does drugs...he saw it with his own eyes and he is the biggest PvD fan I know.

Tiesto is the same, he is too into coke and I don't care what denial they give you. They both do drugs now.

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Originally posted by torontotrance wrong dude ask mikey mike, PvD does drugs...he saw it with his own eyes and he is the biggest PvD fan I know. Tiesto is the same, he is too into coke and I don't care what denial they give you. They both do drugs now.

Really? Wow...he talks about how he's totally against it on his DVD...I think he even talked about how he was so happy when he saw two people make two T-Shirts that essentially had a don't do drugs message at a gig.

So...maybe he was on drugs after all.

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I've heard from numerous people that they have seen PvD taking pills. These are people who saw him in different countries at different gigs. Now for the true PvD worshippers...nothing is confirmed as drugs but when I hear from many trustworthy people from different countries at different times, I'm more inclined to believe it. I mean many deejays have gone anti drug but I suspect that most do drugs in some form. I doubt PvD would ever confirm it and probably say it was medication, which it could be, who knows. Most deejays are on some sort of substance with exceptions...joof is anti drugs, anti alcohol but he could do drugs...who knows. Tiesto is on something, you play die another day (tiesto mix) and you think it is the best track of your set then you are on something...lol

Hey i wanna add my 2 cents being a tiesto fan or ass licker - whats in a name huh?

Toronto - i agree with you that the style has changed... he is attempting a much broader range of songs now... whereas before u might had to catch him in different venues to hear a proggy set or uplifting set. In my eyes that counts as a harder challenge as a dj than attempting 3 hours of just uplifting shit. It also means every punter in the club will at least once, hear a tune that fits their style, their liking of trance, be it techier or deeper or vocal... thats why i think he's shifted to a wider range of tunes.

bad mixing (and we've all heard it at a tiesto gig i know) can't be defended whether its Tiesto or whether its Andy Max Disco... so no comments on that one. I've always had the opinion that if u listen to the older CD releases, say Forbidden Paradise or Lost Treasures, and compare the mixing from those to current CD's like Nyana and his recent livesets... there is a difference, not just in style... but his mixing has become a lot tighter in recent years. I think its only proof that as a dj tiesto still learns new methods and new mixing technique all the time... his mixing hasn't gone downhill - he's always had the odd one or two where he'll slap the treble over first, and it sounds crap but like i said its a lot better than it used to be.

I think like some people who cling to the old style 98-99 tiesto... u are basing your opinions on what you heard him play in 2002... surely u have heard something of a certain concert he performed, a few BETTER remixes than die another day, although personally (having never taken drugs) i've heard this tune played out numerous times, and thought it TUNE OF THE NIGHT without any stimulant abuse. Take a quick download from the recent return to the Heineken Dance Hall in Amsterdam from November... if you can complain about that set, i think u must have gone off trance in general never mind Tiesto!

It is just possible to still enjoy the current Tiesto sound. Although u'll argue its the pillheads and bandwagon jumpers who've made him number 1, lets try to remember that there had to be an original fanbase for these lot to jump on board with, and i think its loyal followers like myself that contribute more than we are given credit for in his popularity... thats right its not all 16-17 years olds experiencing clubbing for the first time at Tiesto's nights.

For me... a tune like hmm Agnelli & Nelson - Holding Onto Nothing or Solid Globe - Sahara... these are tunes played by most of the big names at present... but there is just something about it when Tiesto drops it as opposed to armin, ferry or PvD... having followed tiesto from 2000... you WILL understand that... its just a pity that so much emphasis is currently put on did he make that mix work, over 20 songs does his set have flow and direction... who gives a shit if over those 2 hours... he made u dance like a lunatic and liberally free all those inhibitions onto the dancefloor it works for me and a whole lot of others. I'll enjoy other nights out... but its the ones with Tiesto playing that i'll come out the club with a smile (big broad grin) on my face

It'll be difficult for anyone who has a bias against Tiesto to listen to the new album and openly enjoy it... here's hoping u find some renewed faith in the best dj in the world when u give it a listen.

Last edited by MichaelBoogerd! on Feb-29-2004 at 04:28

I'm not clinging to anything, I'm just pointing out the old tiesto put more effort into mixing and tune selection then the current tiesto. This shows imo that he can do it and is just getting lazy. The world's number 1 deejay goes to ppl's heads because it's only one vote, once a year and not all the true fans vote. I'd love to see tiesto back in 98-2000 mode but that won't happen. I'd like to see the same effort and same ego as back then tho because I think it would make us ppl happy. I mean I must be a tiesto fan in a way because I would not have posted that long message if I did not want to see him return to better efforts. He can do better and when you see ppl not performing to their best then you wonder are they lazy.

i am not defending pvd now but that could be ANYTHING but pills and u know that..but of course they could have been pills
...anyhow
i like tiesto but not as much as other people..he used to be my number 2 but his ego became bigger than cartman's ass.....but why should he care about what u me and almost all of us in this forum?
his fame and popularity will provide him with everything he needs and all his gigs are gonna be packed..till the oakenfold desease will strike...but thats not a bad thing isnt it? oakey plays really nice music atm..i enjoy most of his sets that ive heard lately...but nothing like old oakey....

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trance is dead, tiesto killed it

Well, Oakey events are still packed as hell despite most people here hating him...so

Dave

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Hey i wanna add my 2 cents being a tiesto fan or ass licker - whats in a name huh? Toronto - i agree with you that the style has changed... he is attempting a much broader range of songs now... whereas before u might had to catch him in different venues to hear a proggy set or uplifting set. In my eyes that counts as a harder challenge as a dj than attempting 3 hours of just uplifting shit. It also means every punter in the club will at least once, hear a tune that fits their style, their liking of trance, be it techier or deeper or vocal... thats why i think he's shifted to a wider range of tunes. bad mixing (and we've all heard it at a tiesto gig i know) can't be defended whether its Tiesto or whether its Andy Max Disco... so no comments on that one. I've always had the opinion that if u listen to the older CD releases, say Forbidden Paradise or Lost Treasures, and compare the mixing from those to current CD's like Nyana and his recent livesets... there is a difference, not just in style... but his mixing has become a lot tighter in recent years. I think its only proof that as a dj tiesto still learns new methods and new mixing technique all the time... his mixing hasn't gone downhill - he's always had the odd one or two where he'll slap the treble over first, and it sounds crap but like i said its a lot better than it used to be. I think like some people who cling to the old style 98-99 tiesto... u are basing your opinions on what you heard him play in 2002... surely u have heard something of a certain concert he performed, a few BETTER remixes than die another day, although personally (having never taken drugs) i've heard this tune played out numerous times, and thought it TUNE OF THE NIGHT without any stimulant abuse. Take a quick download from the recent return to the Heineken Dance Hall in Amsterdam from November... if you can complain about that set, i think u must have gone off trance in general never mind Tiesto! It is just possible to still enjoy the current Tiesto sound. Although u'll argue its the pillheads and bandwagon jumpers who've made him number 1, lets try to remember that there had to be an original fanbase for these lot to jump on board with, and i think its loyal followers like myself that contribute more than we are given credit for in his popularity... thats right its not all 16-17 years olds experiencing clubbing for the first time at Tiesto's nights. For me... a tune like hmm Agnelli & Nelson - Holding Onto Nothing or Solid Globe - Sahara... these are tunes played by most of the big names at present... but there is just something about it when Tiesto drops it as opposed to armin, ferry or PvD... having followed tiesto from 2000... you WILL understand that... its just a pity that so much emphasis is currently put on did he make that mix work, over 20 songs does his set have flow and direction... who gives a shit if over those 2 hours... he made u dance like a lunatic and liberally free all those inhibitions onto the dancefloor it works for me and a whole lot of others. I'll enjoy other nights out... but its the ones with Tiesto playing that i'll come out the club with a smile (big broad grin) on my face It'll be difficult for anyone who has a bias against Tiesto to listen to the new album and openly enjoy it... here's hoping u find some renewed faith in the best dj in the world when u give it a listen.

feel the same dj rvk

i suggest all the tiesto haters stop living in the past like when you were fucked on pills and thought he was awesome

any set you heard when you were on pills will be better than one you hear now dead sober on your family's pc speakers

STOP LIVEING IN THE PAST - if u do, go listen to your "cool music and cool djs" who no one has ever heard of


TIESTO OWNz you and you have to live with it!

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