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Originally posted by anuneventrade Geee-zuhs guys, wait for me next time eh? All this in one day?! Kerry's main plan for creating more job opportunities is cutting ties off with countries that we get oil from and creating energy plants here in the U.S. Energy plants = people to build them + people to run them = more jobs + oil independence. It's not technically the President's job to create more jobs for citizens... as someone else already stated, it's his role to create a more stable economy, thus bringing around more job opportunities. And yes, the job market sucks right now. How do I know? Because I'm on my third job in three months. After finishing with my long term employment with one company, I sent out my resume and went for interviews to about 73 different companies (all ranging in distance from where I live). Once I finally got a job (almost three weeks later), I ended up losing it two days later because someone with more experience than me suddenly became available. Thus, starting another search which ended me up at my job 43 resume's, 9 interviews, and 3 weeks later. My mother, who just finished her ultrasound sonography diagnostic technologist degree, has no hope for a job in Florida, because simply, there are none available. The job market around the country is the same. Simply, there are no jobs. Even in over crowded hosptials, they can't afford to staff another employee. Various friends have been searching for jobs for months. I don't know if it's just this town/state that is cursed... but from my end, the job market blows.

Yea- I hear it's a real rat race out in Florida- My friend lives out there and cant find a job worth a shit-
He is seriously thinking about moving back to San Diego (There are at least some job opportunities out here- more than FLA)
You're lucky you found a job so quickly-
My last "gap" was 5 months.

Plain and simple we need a president who is going to cut us off a bit from worrying about the worlds problems and start throwing some money at fixing local problems.

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i think a point that should be taken is the following:

when voting in a new president you are basically 'wasting' a year with the reorientaiton of departments, new personal etc.

It takes about a year for a new president to just gain hold of the power avaialble to him.

If there isn't much different between two leaders, it is primarly for this reason - the wasted time of change and reorientation - that people vote for an incumbent.

If you don't feel very strongly, or passionately about Kerry, I can't really understand how you would be willing to compromise a year of reorientation to make him presidency.

This year of change is very different, from my understand of the 911 commission, I prime reason for the ability of Al Q to strike on Sep 11th was the fact that they were enjoying the ineffectiveness in government to decide its policy on foreign affair matters and counter-terrorism.

I fear another year of waste like this might have similar effects. Especially when you consider a new president means a new guy at the Pentagon and a new guy in the defense department (which Rumsfeld, love him or hate him, has done an excellent job in reforming).

Though I wouldn't mind Bush letting go of Tenet (a Clinton appointee...) though I don't know, but I have a feeling Kerry would keep him.

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Originally posted by Yoepus i think a point that should be taken is the following: when voting in a new president you are basically 'wasting' a year with the reorientaiton of departments, new personal etc. It takes about a year for a new president to just gain hold of the power avaialble to him. If there isn't much different between two leaders, it is primarly for this reason - the wasted time of change and reorientation - that people vote for an incumbent. If you don't feel very strongly, or passionately about Kerry, I can't really understand how you would be willing to compromise a year of reorientation to make him presidency. This year of change is very different, from my understand of the 911 commission, I prime reason for the ability of Al Q to strike on Sep 11th was the fact that they were enjoying the ineffectiveness in government to decide its policy on foreign affair matters and counter-terrorism. I fear another year of waste like this might have similar effects. Especially when you consider a new president means a new guy at the Pentagon and a new guy in the defense department (which Rumsfeld, love him or hate him, has done an excellent job in reforming). Though I wouldn't mind Bush letting go of Tenet (a Clinton appointee...) though I don't know, but I have a feeling Kerry would keep him.

That rediculous-
Why "wait" for the re-orientation?

You're basically saying let's wait and
put off this for 5 years and just be happy with the
way things are now and worry about it 5 years from now.
HOPEFULLY things will get better but if not- oh well.


Rip the fucking bandaid off and get it over with.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx That rediculous- Why "wait" for the re-orientation? You're basically saying let's wait and put off this for 5 years and just be happy with the way things are now and worry about it 5 years from now. HOPEFULLY things will get better but if not- oh well. Rip the fucking bandaid off and get it over with.

Yoepus has a point. The change in Presidency/security/defense personel could have had a significant role in 9/11. Say that Al-Q realized this, what's to say they wouldn't strike again when everything gets disoriented? Face it, America's economy cannot deal with another 9/11 so soon. It will simply destroy the economy. Three years later, and the economy still hasn't recovered.

I've stated quite a few times, that I don't like Kerry's platform. Everything just doesn't add up IMHO, and I simply don't think Kerry is fit to be President. Then again, neither is Bush. Damnit Clark!! Why didn't you stay in the race!!

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Yoepus has a point. The change in Presidency/security/defense personel could have had a significant role in 9/11. Say that Al-Q realized this, what's to say they wouldn't strike again when everything gets disoriented? Face it, America's economy cannot deal with another 9/11 so soon. It will simply destroy the economy. Three years later, and the economy still hasn't recovered. I've stated quite a few times, that I don't like Kerry's platform. Everything just doesn't add up IMHO, and I simply don't think Kerry is fit to be President. Then again, neither is Bush. Damnit Clark!! Why didn't you stay in the race!!

Theres always going to be some sorta security problem somewhere.
You fix one hole and 2 more open up somewhere else.
Unless I had some sort of study to prove Al Q "waited" for a presidency change I would have a hard time believing it.

What would be worse another 9/11 or 4 more years of Bush?
At least 9/11 created some jobs.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Theres always going to be some sorta security problem somewhere. You fix one hole and 2 more open up somewhere else. Unless I had some sort of study to prove Al Q "waited" for a presidency change I would have a hard time believing it. What would be worse another 9/11 or 4 more years of Bush? At least 9/11 created some jobs.

Woah woah woah, now you're putting words in my mouth. I never once said that Al Q waited. I'm simply stating that the factor of such a drastic change in the office could have had an effect on the timing on 9/11, since Al Q realized that the U.S. would be in an extreemely vulnerable stage with Bush trying to shuffle out Clinton's advisors and personel and bring in his own.

At least 9/11 created some jobs? Are you crazy? It slowed down economy so drastically that people lost jobs due to lack of citizens traveling/spending money, and increase of security. The only business that thrived from 9/11 would be funeral homes in NYC and other terrorist locations.

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Originally posted by hooknife That’s what GB wants you to think. I and most of the world that hates us does not like are policies, our reasons for going to war, our bully mentality and MOST of all GB. If you want to be GB’s little puppet then what can I say, you are welcome to be deceived.

I am a puppet. Bush is my master. He is the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks. He ordered the planes to fly into the WTC and Pentagon. He is the cause of all evil in the Universe. As long as GB is in charge his tyrannical rule of evil will continue. I must vote for anyone other than Bush. People tell me Kerry is less evil than Bush, so I will vote for Kerry. I will join his puppets. I will be his new puppet.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I am a puppet. Bush is my master. He is the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks. He ordered the planes to fly into the WTC and Pentagon. He is the cause of all evil in the Universe. As long as GB is in charge his tyrannical rule of evil will continue. I must vote for anyone other than Bush. People tell me Kerry is less evil than Bush, so I will vote for Kerry. I will join his puppets. I will be his new puppet.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Woah woah woah, now you're putting words in my mouth. I never once said that Al Q waited. I'm simply stating that the factor of such a drastic change in the office could have had an effect on the timing on 9/11, since Al Q realized that the U.S. would be in an extreemely vulnerable stage with Bush trying to shuffle out Clinton's advisors and personel and bring in his own. At least 9/11 created some jobs? Are you crazy? It slowed down economy so drastically that people lost jobs due to lack of citizens traveling/spending money, and increase of security. The only business that thrived from 9/11 would be funeral homes in NYC and other terrorist locations.

Well- it was a joking comment really- basically 9/11 stimulated more jobs and economy than bush himself has but i understand you point.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono People tell me Kerry is less evil than Bush, so I will vote for Kerry.

Well I'm glad to help.

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Doesn't matter. Most American's are just going to continue on their repetitive cycle. See, it goes something like this. Vote a certain President into office. Begin hating him towards the end of his term, and announce clear and loud that you don't want him in office. Start to support the candidate that is as loud as you are without paying attention to any of his platforms. Agree with whatever he says because he starts out all of his sentences with 'The current President is wrong! He lied to you! He didn't complete any of his goals! He conceals things from you!" Once hearing these phrases over and over, you begin to realize, that you suddenly hate this president that you voted into office. Vote for said candidate who is against the President.

Repeat process at end of term by claiming "He lied! He didn't attempt to complete any of his platforms" all the while completely knowing, you had no clue what he stood for the entire time. But he was against the President! So that's all that matters!!

Goes something along with NeoPhono's puppet comment.

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Originally posted by Cal Would you stop apologizing? Im not arguing with you either, because i simply dont care, dont you people understand what im trying to say here? The whole issue is moot at this point anyway

You seemed to give a hershey squirt when you accused me of being "uneducated" and an idiot for claiming that not all unemployed people are looking for work. You call occrider a retard and he then calls you out on it and proceeded to OWN you outright. You gave a damn then.
Now unemployment is "moot" huh?
Your the rookie here son, not me.


later.