Iraq and Israel are "related" by WMDs... okay, so by your "brother/sister" analogy, it would be like saying that some guy on the street is probably your brother because he's got the same haircut.

Look, you can't base your entire argument on how the opposition won't admit to being wrong. Are you not familiar with the concept of burden of proof? That is to say that the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the person MAKING an assertion... it is not up to me to prove how it is irrelevant, it is up to you to prove how it is relevant, and simply saying that "they both have WMDs" proves nothing (especially since that has not been proven about Israel - saying "it's a secret" again proves nothing - you posted a link to a very reasonable, but untested, hypothesis).

You're looking at the whole thing backwards. The question is not why the UN didn't subject Israel to the same level of scrutiny as Iraq, because one could ask the same question of why they didn't investigate any of the other countries as well. The question you SHOULD be asking is why DID they subject Iraq to such high scrutiny? And the answer to that *should* be obvious.

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Originally posted by DigiNut ... That is to say that the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the person MAKING an assertion... it is not up to me to prove how it is irrelevant

Look back in the thread, you made the assertation that they were not related first so by your own statement the burden of proof is on you not me.

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Originally posted by igottaknow You made the assertation that they were not related first so by your own statement the burden of proof is on you not me.

lol

Oh, the good old "you started it" defense.

I didn't *make* any assertion, I *questioned* the relevance of the original assertion made by sufee. That is not "making an assertion."

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Originally posted by DigiNut and simply saying that "they both have WMDs" proves nothing (especially since that has not been proven about Israel - saying "it's a secret" again proves nothing - you posted a link to a very reasonable, but untested, hypothesis).

Ok let's Invade Israel to find out if they have WMDs and if they don't well then who cares. That's what the US did to Iraq and that's why Israel is relevant, becuase they are in the same situation. That is our intelligence says they have them so we then know that they are there. Are you starting to catch on to why it's relevant?

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Originally posted by DigiNut lol Oh, the good old "you started it" defense.I didn't *make* any assertion, I *questioned* the relevance of the original assertion made by sufee. That is not "making an assertion."

look at you 2nd post

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Originally posted by DigiNut because half of your post is anti-Israel rhetoric that has nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq in the first place.

that's is an assertation and you said it first and i have proof look at the thread

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Originally posted by igottaknow Ok let's Invade Israel to find out if they have WMDs and if they don't well then who cares. That's what the US did to Iraq and that's why Israel is relevant, becuase they are in the same situation. That is our intelligence says they have them so we then know that they are there. Are you starting to catch on to why it's relevant?

No, I'm honestly not. How is Israel different from any of the other countries that [supposedly] have nukes, other than the fact that they are allies with the USA and completely neutral to the rest of the western world?

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Originally posted by igottaknow look at you 2nd post that's is an assertation and you said it first and i have proof look at the thread

*sigh*

Once again, the assertion was contained in his original post that introduced a bunch of crap about Israel without giving any proof OR any definitive link to the Iraq situation (and simply saying "they both supposedly have nukes" really doesn't cut the mustard here).

Challenging an assertion is not the same as making one.

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Originally posted by DigiNut *sigh* Once again, the assertion was contained in his original post that introduced a bunch of crap about Israel without giving any proof OR any definitive link to the Iraq situation (and simply saying "they both supposedly have nukes" really doesn't cut the mustard here). Challenging an assertion is not the same as making one.

So there is no burden of proof on the challenger.

person A: the earth is round

person B: you're lieing propagadist. the world isn't round.

???

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Originally posted by igottaknow So there is no burden of proof on the challenger. person A: the earth is round person B: you're lieing propagadist. the world isn't round. ???

What's the point of that example? You're trying to make the argument look legitimate by comparing it to something that is common knowledge.

Person A: The Earth is round
Person B: I don't believe that, prove that the Earth is round.

Without the rhetoric and attrocious spelling, then yes, the burden of proof is most definitely on Person A to prove that the earth is round. Whether or not Person A considers it common knowledge is not the point - it's a (so far) unsupported assertion in his argument. The burden of proof is not on B to prove that it is flat or otherwise not round.

The "common knowledge" defense only works if something is actually common knowledge. If too many people disagree with the assertion then it can hardly be considered as such.

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fuck c'mon, jeeeez.

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Originally posted by DigiNut What's the point of that example? You're trying to make the argument look legitimate by comparing it to something that is common knowledge. Person A: The Earth is round Person B: I don't believe that, prove that the Earth is round. Without the rhetoric and attrocious spelling, then yes, the burden of proof is most definitely on Person A to prove that the earth is round. Whether or not Person A considers it common knowledge is not the point - it's a (so far) unsupported assertion in his argument. The burden of proof is not on B to prove that it is flat or otherwise not round. The "common knowledge" defense only works if something is actually common knowledge. If too many people disagree with the assertion then it can hardly be considered as such.

Why don't we switch positions, you prove the earth is round. Even if you can then I’ll just pick something else and say prove that, then prove this. You’re like an obstinate child.

I don't need to scientifically prove it’s related to the discussion. You even conceded it was relevant based on WMDs in one of previous posts so I don't know why you continue to argue.

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Originally posted by igottaknow Ok let's Invade Israel to find out if they have WMDs and if they don't well then who cares. That's what the US did to Iraq and that's why Israel is relevant, becuase they are in the same situation. That is our intelligence says they have them so we then know that they are there. Are you starting to catch on to why it's relevant?

Ok than, but Iran is much more relevant to Iraq, and so is Syria, and Sudan. So first the USA shoudl invade and 'check' if those countries have WMD. Right, why jump straight to Israel?

And igottaknow, contrary to "common knowledge" there is no PROOF that Israel has nukes. It is assumed and accepted, I have very good reason (and very good sources) to believe that Israel does indeed pose nuclear capability.

But then again, if Iraqi intelligence could fool the world, surely Israeli intelligence can

Regardless, many peaceful democracies have nukes, France, Russia, and the UK for instance. Using your logic, they are also relevant to Iraq and so is the USA for that matter.

I'm not taking the extreme position as diginut did that there is no relevance between Israel and Iraq - Yes they both have nuclear weapons. But stop reading us so literaly and start being more intuitive! Digi did not mean there is no absolute relevence between Israel and Iraq, no he meant there is no relevance between Israel and Iraq IN THIS DISCUSSION.




lastly, come on igottaknow, being wrong happens to the best of us, it happened to me just the other day, bite the bullet and take it like a man, don't go on flaming and going in to pointless drivel

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