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Originally posted by skytribe Actually, quite a few people have agreed with me. On minor points, not your 'ultimatum'. Second, as you so cleverly edited out, my problem with someone remixing/sampling my work without my permission is precisely that: it is without my permission, and as such, is theft. I only edited it out because it was in the way, and there was no reason to keep it in there just mucking up my comments. Slavery was merely a handy example. The point I was trying to illustrate is that 'status quo' and 'tradition' are not the same as 'right'. whatever does it for you And I don't see how you can think you haven't been insulting me. Or are words like 'moron' and 'thick head' compliments where you live? I never stated I wasn't insulting you. I said you were doing it just as much. You use this form of 'sublte elitism'. It's quite annoying. I'm not imposing my beliefs on you. [b]You are arguing points, and expecting me to believe them. [b]If you aren't imposing your beliefs, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TELLING ME THEM AND PUTTING ME UNDER THEM. [b/]

Eh fuck it.

Here is my position. I belive that using samples is only wrong if you are gaining monetarily from them. I said that earlier and I'm saying it again. You believe that it is stealing whether or not you keep it to yourself or not. I can respect that, good for you.

I do not sample from others, because I have no reason to. But I do use midi's when designing synths. And really, It's not wrong to me at all. If you avoid doing that to keep your personal high moral ground so be it.

But what I'm saying is. You keep saying how I am wrong, and you are right, and how immoral I and others are. You made this thread with the full intention of contention. You said how wrong everyone on the forum was and how right you were.
Really. What was the point of that? There is nothing you can do to convince me, or anyone else (including quite a few of the producers in the industry).

But yah, whatever.

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Originally posted by rb2k1 This thread has has been made possible by the.... So Stop Wasting all of our time with this crap. ~Ross B

Ross for president. Hey, what the fuck is wrong with AP.net?


Why? Because it is fun to play the devil's advocate.

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Originally posted by skytribe If I use a MIDI file to do a remix, without permission from the copyright holder, that is also illegal.

since i started the midi thread im specially interested in this

what if you dont use a midi file to remix?
there is nothing wrong with files containing information on notes. i could also write it in txt files, but those are pretty hard to use.

most of us are amateurs and doing things for fun. making remixes or whatsoever doesnt affect the money making of labels. of cours theft is wrong, but as long as the one who is being stolen doesnt care. then why should you?! i dont mean to offend you but how many people have made an 'illegal' remix of one of your tracks? how many samples you made are being used by others? why should you care if some amateur producer has your kickdrum in his track that gets downloaded by 32 people and most of the time deleted after that.

theft is wrong yeah, but what the hell, so is speeding (yes, even if its 1mph cos its the law) and walking through red lights and dont tell me you have never done that.

also you cannot compare the music industry with slaverny and women rights. to me they are totally different subjects, but i can also give some arguements if you like.
the labels dont care about people remixing tunes.
slaves wanted to be threated equally and women wanted the same rights as men.
also labels are not being oppressed by us.

sorry, but you have to open your eyes. as the copyright holders dont care, why should you.

take care

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Originally posted by skytribe I find it endlessly interesting around here that any discussion of warez is immediately hushed up and thrown off the board. If someone asks a question about software, there will invariably be a flood of RTFM responses. Yet when people want samples from movies, from songs, etc, and MIDI files from tracks, they just get pointed in the right direction. It's equally illegal to use pir8 software as it is to use uncleared samples, a cappellas, and MIDI files. In fact, we as a group should be even more stringent about people using music files illegally, as music production (and, eventually, revenue generation) is why we're all here. So what's the difference?

I think the reason people on these forums get a little edgey with people shouting about warez music software is for the simple fact that the companies that make the software are not, on the whole, rich companies and as such people that use cracked versions of their products are pushing the prices even higher for the legitamate users (which the companies have to do in order to stay in business).

People that are using uncleared samples, acappellas and midi files do not do the same damage. Most people on this forum that use other artists midi files or samples do so to learn and/or remix and as such are not taking anything away from the original artist.

You know whats funny? Some of the old posts back in 2001 had some 'warez' there and no one complained about cracks, it was all good Someone even had a link to downloading full version fruity (which the link now doesnt work ), so i think the board has changed since then.

I think limited amounts of samples should be free and the CD's full of samples that you buy should be HQ and should be numerous.

dmatrox: well the forum has grown way bigger since 2001 (same year that I signed up )

this site and trance.nu are the two biggest tranceforums around so we have to be more carefull nowdays since people from recordcompanys and people from steinberg, propellerheads and such are probably checking the boards too

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