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Originally posted by arturob PVD > TIJS: technically mixing wise production depends on your taste, obviously. both have good and shite tracks. TIJS > PVD personality charisma :P you get the idea...

Why is it again that you won't be going on 6/18 to see Tiesto?

i cant be arsed to be like a canned sardine!!!!!


it will be so sick that night, like wmc. god that was horrible !

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Originally posted by arturob PVD > TIJS: technically mixing wise production depends on your taste, obviously. both have good and shite tracks. TIJS > PVD personality charisma :P you get the idea...

good reasons art behind your reasoning, i do agree that technically pvd is the more gifted dj. i think the reason his mixing is so flawless is because he re edits almost every track he plays(hence why he only uses cds), so it makes going from track to track so much smoother especially when the baseline is almost the same in every track, my one gripe on pvd has always been that the baseline sounds the same thru the whole the set(pounding, but thats german trance). where as his dutch counterparts tiesto, ferry, etc, use mostly vinyls and therefore have a harder time mixing from track to track, esp the last couple years, since trance has changed so much. (DEFINE trance in 2002-2004?, its evolved so much since the days of epic trance, melodic trance of the 90s and early millenia. i.e. listen to any oaky essential mix, tiesto majik seris, where songs kinda had the flowing happy, melodic feeling, and just seemed to meld and mix so nicely. I dont know if any of that made sense, buts that my interpretation. Tiesto used to be a TRANCE DJ, now his style is across the board and the definiton of trance is very AMBIGUOUS, or hard to define, and proggressive has crept into the trance fabric, and the two are interwoven now. just my two cents, REDEYE seems very knowledgeable maybe he can add something into this discussion.

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basically what i am getting at is a lot of people clown on tiesto's mixing, saying their grandma mixes better etc, when i think the mixing is more of a challenge now a days because of the panorama of diverse sound in trance.

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heh.

PVD doesnt use CDs at all anymore. Everything is played on final scratch (Vinyl) from his PowerBook G4.

Quoted from a PVD interview a couple months back. "I'm a quality freak. Every track I get goes to a re-mastering process in my studio before I play them out."

No offense to vinyl, but CD is the #1 way of Promoting media these days. it is more cost effective and easier for labels to send out. Every DJ these days plays CDs.

He (PVD) does rework some tracks, which I think its cool. I personally like it because you get tired of hearing the same tracks over and over some times. One reason I will always like PVD is cause of his Rework trend. Most of them are really great and its a reason to go and see the guy. Must also say the flow is better as well since he just take the key parts of a track to fits more style/sound.

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Originally posted by arturob i cant be arsed to be like a canned sardine!!!!! it will be so sick that night, like wmc. god that was horrible !

True...but to me it's more than worth it.

This is a portion of what I wrote in another thread a while back. It has been slightly modified. This was a Tiesto vs. PvD thread. I still feel as I did when I first wrote it.

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Originally posted by trancebrat I love both of them. I was able to hang out with PvD for eight hours once so I can honestly say that he is an amazing person to be around. There is no doubt that he can set a room off. He used to be my favorite DJ until I became exposed to Tiesto. PVD said to keep an eye out for Tiesto...to remember that name because he would take the world by storm. And sure enough...it happened. When I finally was able to see Tiesto spin live I was blown away. It wasn't just his phat set it was his amazing energy. He has one of the most positive vibes of anyone that I have ever been in the presence of. He is so into the music and the crowd and his energy and enthusiasm was intoxicating. Do I like PVD any less because of that? Hell no. I will always love Paul van Dyk. He was cool as hell to me when I hung out with him and he will always be one of my favorite DJ's. I loved how "normal" and down to earth he is. He loves what he does and so does Tiesto. The difference between the two is this... Paul van Dyk can take a room and blow that place up with the most incredible sounding music. He leaves you wanting more. He comes at you full force and most of his set is "in your face". Tiesto can do the same thing but he can also take a room full of people and take them on a musical journey. Tiesto knows how to tap into your emotions through music. They are both talented DJ's/artists. They both love what they do and they are both positive energy. They don't spin exactly the same and that is why I love them both. The world would be a boring place if everything sounded the same. It is all about personal opinion and I personally would be happy to have either one of them standing in front of me right now.

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Originally posted by arturob PVD > TIJS: technically mixing wise production depends on your taste, obviously. both have good and shite tracks. TIJS > PVD personality charisma :P you get the idea...

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Originally posted by Mattivi good reasons art behind your reasoning, i do agree that technically pvd is the more gifted dj. i think the reason his mixing is so flawless is because he re edits almost every track he plays(hence why he only uses cds), so it makes going from track to track so much smoother especially when the baseline is almost the same in every track, my one gripe on pvd has always been that the baseline sounds the same thru the whole the set(pounding, but thats german trance). where as his dutch counterparts tiesto, ferry, etc, use mostly vinyls and therefore have a harder time mixing from track to track, esp the last couple years, since trance has changed so much. (DEFINE trance in 2002-2004?, its evolved so much since the days of epic trance, melodic trance of the 90s and early millenia. i.e. listen to any oaky essential mix, tiesto majik seris, where songs kinda had the flowing happy, melodic feeling, and just seemed to meld and mix so nicely. I dont know if any of that made sense, buts that my interpretation. Tiesto used to be a TRANCE DJ, now his style is across the board and the definiton of trance is very AMBIGUOUS, or hard to define, and proggressive has crept into the trance fabric, and the two are interwoven now. just my two cents, REDEYE seems very knowledgeable maybe he can add something into this discussion.

Being a PvD whore there are some inaccuracies I like to dispute. Paul's mixing has been flawless years before he started reworking tracks. Check out his pre-2001 sets. Personally I like his '99 and '00 sets. Furthermore, Paul applies more artistic touches on his sets than his Dutch counterparts. If you ever analyze sets or watch DJs work their mixers you will know where I'm headed. Paul is famous for his equalizer manipulation, bass drops, cuts, mid-track mixing and other dj tricks. Where as the Dutch plays the entire track and mixes in at the outro part of a track.

Having said that, having all the DJ skills in the world is pretty worthless if the DJ can't pick the right track to play at the right moment.


Personally I couldn't care less if the DJ interacts with the crowd. I'm there to hear good music, dance, party with my friends and have a good time. Only when I'm bored will I look at the DJ booth. I think it's truer to the music that way. My opinion of the set isn't influenced because the DJ smiled at me or waved at me. This is a dance club not a concert.

Honorable mentions include:
Sander Kleinenberg (my #2)
Markus Schulz

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Originally posted by trancebrat True...but to me it's more than worth it.

true, see you there


mine:
1.PvD- although i might agree he is in somewhat of a slump behind Tiesto right now, i cant ever make him #2 on any list of mine ever
2.Tiesto
3.Armin-really close call to Tijs
4.Markus Schulz
5.Sander- soared up my list this year,.. ya the prog bug has started to nibble on me too...

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Originally posted by Scottaculous Personally I couldn't care less if the DJ interacts with the crowd. I'm there to hear good music, dance, party with my friends and have a good time. Only when I'm bored will I look at the DJ booth. I think it's truer to the music that way. My opinion of the set isn't influenced because the DJ smiled at me or waved at me. This is a dance club not a concert.

I disagree completely. For the DJ interaction with the crowd is extremely important. Most of of them say it in their interviews. When we hung out one time with Sasha he couldn't say it enough. Same with PvD. One time try standing right in front of these DJ's when they are spinning. Interact with them...show your appreciation. They feed off of that. Do that and then tell me that you cannot feel their enegry...that you didn't have a totally different experience than if you were standing in the back of the club BSing with friends. Night and day. Ever been around someone that just drained you? We all have...it's no fun. Now...have you ever been around someone that has such a positive vibe that every time you are near them you feel naturally high? It's an incredible feeling. That happens to me with certain DJ's...that's why I want to be close to them. Just ask anyone that was at Ferrys show standing on that podium in front of him. His energy was insane and he projected that shit right onto us. I can assure you that DJ's like Ferry and Tiesto view it as more than just your average nightclub experience. Seeing their face light up when the crowd goes mad to a song and their set is an experience in itself. For me I try to imagine what it must feel like to be them looking out into all of that madness knowing that they are the ones that created it. Imagine the energy and "love" that comes back at them from all of those people that are there to see them. I love being a part of that. Why should it be different than a concert? Because you are in a club? A lot of the songs that you hearing are songs that they have produced or remixed. To some of those DJ's they are there to deliver the same kind of experience that you would receive at a concert. They didn't fly all the way over here from Holland or Germany for nothing.

Last edited by trancebrat on May-07-2004 at 18:18

arturo you proved my point exactly! almost every track he spins gets reworked and reedited in his studio, therefore making a more uniform, flowing sound. im not knocking the guy for that, like i said technically he is one of the best out there, if not the best, i know he uses a laptop almost exclusively up there, my bad about the cds. and scottlalicous i never once said his mixing was bad before 2001, so i fail to see your inaccurarcies. but when i think it comes to artistry and creativity in dj sets, no one steps to tiesto, IMHO.

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