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Originally posted by Yoepus yea and I'm a Israeli Texan

oh yeah? Taiwanese Californian American

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I'd say you are what it says on your passport. Your heritage may be something else but you are say American or whatever.

You can't just join one socity and still lay claim to being part of another obviously not people with dual nationality but thats differnt.

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It's a PC way of expressing one's heritage. If they are born in America or attain American citizenship, then they are American. However they still maintain certain cultures and traditions of their ancestry and make the world pay attention to their proper geneologic migration and create silly politically correct contractions like African-American or Asian-American. It's almost like a sense of cultural nationalism.

I wish people would concentrate on how similar they are rather than how differnt.

The world would be a much better place. But I guess it's just human nature. Everyones an individual just like everyone else is.

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Originally posted by Shakka It's a PC way of expressing one's heritage. If they are born in America or attain American citizenship, then they are American. However they still maintain certain cultures and traditions of their ancestry and make the world pay attention to their proper geneologic migration and create silly politically correct contractions like African-American or Asian-American. It's almost like a sense of cultural nationalism.

is it our fault that the rest of america don't recognize Asians in america as being americans, and instead being foreigners? thats why we have the term asian-american whether we like it or not...to emphasize the fact that we are as american as any white guy except we have black hair and brown eyes

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But see for example in Scotland/Britain you get people who's families are from say India. They call themselfs Scottish/British. Might say of Indian desent. Just as a Scottish person of Polish desent person would say of Polish decent.

The whole African-American thing to me just seems racially deviding. Do you get Scottish-Americans? Maybe after say one generation but not after 10's of them. It's all just based upon appearance and skin colour. Belive me I'm all against PC'ness I recon people should just get along and get on. Stop pissing about we are all humans big shits if our great great great grandad happened to be born on one continent rather than another.

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 is it our fault that the rest of america don't recognize Asians in america as being americans, and instead being foreigners? thats why we have the term asian-american whether we like it or not...to emphasize the fact that we are as american as any white guy except we have black hair and brown eyes

This is gonna sound strange, and it's not an attempt to marginalize your argument, but it's the accent. Put simply, asians that sound American are considered American by 99.9% of whitey j/k other Americans. I am half Thai and half Redneck (good redneck) my dad looks like Dabney Coleman and my 100% Thai mother had to learn English on her own. I look like shorty from Raiders of the Lost Ark and speak with a Texas draw.

I have learned something over the years, and it's that other people identify with Asians 200% better if they sound like them. I could go in to specifics why and my own personal experience but I think you may already know what I mean.

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Originally posted by Q5echo I have learned something over the years, and it's that other people identify with Asians 200% better if they sound like them. I could go in to specifics why and my own personal experience but I think you may already know what I mean.

For an ethnic minority, Asians are very well integrated in the US. Come to think of it, the only time that I've ever heard any derogatory comments about Asian ethnicity is when someone's talking about a non-American Asian (i.e. A Chinese person who has difficulty with English, like most of my teaching assistants in undergrad!) Hell, I'm even guilty of comments like that, but it's directed towards their lack of English -- not their ethnicity.

One interesting stat that came out of the 2000 census was that nearly 50% of US-born Asian-Americans don't marry other Asian-Americans. A very small percentage marry blacks and hispanics, and the rest marry whites. This suggests that there's very good integration. I forget the exact number of black-white intermarriages, but in contrast, it's low single digits.

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Originally posted by imokruok For an ethnic minority, Asians are very well integrated in the US. Come to think of it, the only time that I've ever heard any derogatory comments about Asian ethnicity is when someone's talking about a non-American Asian (i.e. A Chinese person who has difficulty with English, like most of my teaching assistants in undergrad!) Hell, I'm even guilty of comments like that, but it's directed towards their lack of English -- not their ethnicity. One interesting stat that came out of the 2000 census was that nearly 50% of US-born Asian-Americans don't marry other Asian-Americans. A very small percentage marry blacks and hispanics, and the rest marry whites. This suggests that there's very good integration. I forget the exact number of black-white intermarriages, but in contrast, it's low single digits.

just curious...what is the general population of asians in madison wisconsin?

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Originally posted by imokruok One interesting stat that came out of the 2000 census was that nearly 50% of US-born Asian-Americans don't marry other Asian-Americans. A very small percentage marry blacks and hispanics, and the rest marry whites. This suggests that there's very good integration. I forget the exact number of black-white intermarriages, but in contrast, it's low single digits.

you don't know how true that is. I have always, since the day I was born, been a sucker for white girls. Same for a long time Korean buddy of mine.which puts me at a disadvantage because it is a rare caucasian female that is attracted to short asian men.

luckily, I got mad skillz so pimpin the ho's is not a problem

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 just curious...what is the general population of asians in madison wisconsin?

Can't give you a solid number, but I can tell you that it's extremely high - not just for Wisconsin, but for the US. First of all, Wisconsin and eastern Minnesota are home to the Hmong, who came here in the thousands after Vietnam. Their culture runs contrary to integration, as they're very close-knit, geographically isolated, and many are homeschooled. (That's a really interesting story in itself, as after Vietnam, the US basically opened its borders to the Hmong who had been very strong allies to us in the war).

But at the University of Wisconsin, we have about 40,000 total students, 12,000 of whom are graduate students. Huge numbers of those students come from China, Japan, Taiwan, and and South Korea to study here, mostly for graduate work. I would say 30-40% of my undergrad teaching assistants in every subject from real estate to chemistry were foreign-born Chinese or Korean.

In my law school class, we had 230 regular law students (JD) - about 20-25 were Asian-American. But there's a special 1-year program that the law school runs for foreign law students, and the 40 students in that program are mainly from China.

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Originally posted by Q5echo This is gonna sound strange, and it's not an attempt to marginalize your argument, but it's the accent. Put simply, asians that sound American are considered American by 99.9% of whitey j/k other Americans. I am half Thai and half Redneck (good redneck) my dad looks like Dabney Coleman and my 100% Thai mother had to learn English on her own. I look like shorty from Raiders of the Lost Ark and speak with a Texas draw. I have learned something over the years, and it's that other people identify with Asians 200% better if they sound like them. I could go in to specifics why and my own personal experience but I think you may already know what I mean.

Totally agree with that.

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