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Originally posted by sandstorm03 jay, i understand your argument 100%, but there is simply no one better. None of these new djs have their own style. There are a million armin, pvd & tiesto replicas. Look in the Am forums. Some kids name their sets after asot, and stuff like that. Untill someone comes up with a unique stlye for trance, they will not surpass the top four. For example, Zabiela, is braking through in progressive/house with his unique mixing skills.

You've hit the nail on the head with the hammer there. Every body copies theses three. People know that theses three people are the ones that made trance big and a lot of Djs simply rip of their individual styles. Theres a bit of authenticity when people hear tracks made by these three.

+ I saw tiesto and PVD perform at ultra 6 and in my opinion, they were a lot better than everyone else who was there.

People like them, big deal. Get over it. No one can't change the mind of anyone on this forum, much less stop a jumping screaming crowd cheering for tiesto.

Obviously they've been doing something right and they deserve praise for the good stuff they've produced. Lets not forget what an impact Paul van dyke's binary finary remix or tiesto's traffic had on the trance nation. Tracks like those make people go, "wow! these guys are good! so, now i know where to go if i want to hear something good."

It's called having a fricking reputation.

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Marco V
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Are you all saying that none of these producers come CLOSE to being as good as PVD/Tiesto/Armin/Ferry

Don't get me wrong, those 4 are great.. but even they have released utter CRAP!!!

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u keep talking in facts ur not giving opinions

fact>opinion

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and as for individual styles r u trying to say that armin has his own style cose aint there hundreds of djs like him

yes there are 100000 djs like him

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i think marco v is better than them

ive seen him 3 times, and the crowd was not feeling him either of the times, maby you have had better luck.

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No. I'm not. If that was true. then i wouldn't be listening to them.
Everyone produces utter crap, and i agree that a lot of people praise utter crap. for instance: Nyanna. (in my own opinion. don't want to sart another f***ing thread about nyanna)I'm just saying that these guys have produced such good stuff in the past that it has kept them in the minds of people.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 fact>opinion yes there are 100000 djs like him ive seen him 3 times, and the crowd was not feeling him either of the times, maby you have had better luck.

Agreed. so true at Ultra 6. The crowd was going insane when tiesto and Van Dyke dropped their euphoric lines.

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Originally posted by Orpheus Is Dead I'm just saying that these guys have produced such good stuff in the past that it has kept them in the minds of people.

So have the guys I mentioned...

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Cosmic Gate Airscape Marco V Mauro Picotto Agnelli & Nelson Three Drives Hi Gate Rank 1 Are you all saying that none of these producers come CLOSE to being as good as PVD/Tiesto/Armin/Ferry Don't get me wrong, those 4 are great.. but even they have released utter CRAP!!!

I dont think i ever said that there are not producers that come close to the top four. But they don't come close in the dj booth other then Marco V.

i can add
Ralphie B
Steve Helstrip
Push
Darren Tate
Nu-Nrg
Chicane
Solar Stone
Mark Norman
Mike Koglin
Airwave

the only person in that group that is better then average dj is Marco V. Or am I wrong?

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Originally posted by DJ Lazy So have the guys I mentioned...

agreed

you know what. it's just a game of chance. A lot of people are really good, but only a few get dealt a good hand. its a game. And to tell the truth, I'm pretty sure the Dj's themselves don't care, cuz the music matters to them.

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and as for individual styles r u trying to say that armin has his own style cose aint there hundreds of djs like him

im saying that thousands of djs coppy the top 4.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 I dont think i ever said that there are not producers that come close to the top four. But they don't come close in the dj booth other then Marco V.

That would be part 2 of the discussion regarding these guys... Skills in the Booth.. Production and Skills are two different things.. I would have to agree that the Fab 4 definately outdo the other Big DJ's.. but when it comes down to production, I would have to slide off and say that they aren't in a league of there own... One thing they do have when it comes to productions is quantity.. They have released LOADS more tracks that any of the guys I mentioned, I will admit that..

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the only person in that group that is better then average dj is Marco V. Or am I wrong?

I would like to think that half of Hi-Gate (Judge Jules), and Rank 1 would be comparable to those 4... plus Marco V... thats just IMO though..

well. i kinda like darren tate. I was going through a rough time in my life and then i heard "let the light shine in". It pulled me out of a hole and started a chain of events that eventually led me to getting my japenese girlfriend

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I would like to think that half of Hi-Gate (Judge Jules), and Rank 1 would be comparable to those 4... plus Marco V... thats just IMO though..

ill agree with marco, but the others heh .


But this thread is about over all, which includes Djing ability, and Production, which is why the top 4 are there, and marco v is right with them.

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One thing they do have when it comes to productions is quantity.. They have released LOADS more tracks that any of the guys I mentioned, I will admit that..

Out of my top 100 tracks, Paul, Ferry, and Tiesto's name come up most. Yes others pop up, just not as often.

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