I still love Sasha's work personally. But Shawzy -- I do agree with you up to a point regarding Sasha being over-hyped. Involver, for example, is hyped to be the 'future' of mixes. While I own it and I love it and can't stop listening to it, the concept is NOT NEW...

yes... all the tracks are remixed/reworked by Sasha...
yes... all the tracks are mixed together and flow SO Smoothly (Thank the studio for that...)

BUT to claim that this idea is fresh is ridiculous and not true. For many years (and many years ago) a bunch of other artists have made their own smooth-flow mix CD with tracks they have produced themselves: How about any Enigma album? Or what about Mike Oldfield albums like "The Songs of Distant Earth"

So while I think you're right in saying that Sasha is over-hyped, well, what other 'legend' in their own right isn't? (ahem does TIESTO ring a bell?). But that still should not detract from their capabilities and their talent. Sasha has become a legend for a reason and yes -- he continues to innovate today.

It all comes down to if we like the style of music or not IMHO... and I personally LOVE what Sasha's done with Involver. I don't think i'll ever be able to dance to it in a club save a select few tracks on the CD, but it's just GREAT music!

BTW.. his choice to use Ableton Live is not new either... I believe Josh Gabriel uses it... as well as any and all beta testers of the software (I mean, the program was partially MADE to be used in a live situation to trigger live samples and loops and to allow on-the-fly effects and mixing and tempo-chaging -- hell, if i had a laptop, i'd be using it in my future live-sets.)

EDM Dj's appear to be "washed up" pretty easily to some of you. You gotta step out of the uber fast releasing of EDM music these days and just look at the dj and say, is his shit good or is his shit bad. Just because he hasn't released anything that you would call good in like 3 years, doesn't mean he sucks. Imagine the beatles came back (even from the dead in some cases ) and played 1 more show. You think people would be saying shit like 'they haven't released anything good in decades!'

It's hilarious to see who everybodies NEW FAV DJ is every month (and quite entertaining to me i might add)

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EDM Dj's appear to be "washed up" pretty easily to some of you.

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It's hilarious to see who everybodies NEW FAV DJ is every month (and quite entertaining to me i might add)

Ummm who the fuck is this guy ?

someone who has an opinion

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Originally posted by The Highroller someone who has an opinion

I guess I take it kind of personally when he includes " " from my OPINION and then goes on to slander everyone with statements like new DJ of the month especially when he doesn't know me.
I could be wrong with that assumption though.

It amazes me at the breadth and scope of ignorance among many of those making contributions (and I say that in the loosest of terms)to this thread.

It is unfortunate that the term "Progressive" was pinned to a certain hybrid of House, Techno and Trance sound, as it was more meant to be a mindset to the approach and technique of creating music which liberates itself from the standard structure of the popular style of its time. The term Progressive was given to any music that discarded the predictable foundations and elements of song creation. Essentially, it is an adjective to a style, therefore, as an example, to say Progressive Trance is boring is to say no Trance that attempts to advance and experiment from the formulaic standard has any value or energy so to dumb it down......those that knock progressive music, whatever it's form, essentially advertise their desire for music to stagnate and grow stale.

Specifically, for those here that seem to make a hobby of bashing progressive music, stop the cozy little bubble which is your world for one minute and consider the FACT that Trance as YOU see it would have been long since extinct had not the elements of progressive and other forward thinking styles been injected into it by all the biggest Trance DJ's you blindly worship.

Let's look at Tiesto, on a lark, shall we? It seems quite clear that much of his best work (Flight 643) and sets, have more a Techno spirit to them then pure uncut Trance. Armin? His tracklists read like an essential list for Prog/tech-trance/breaks along side the GENUINE good trance that still exists if one cares to search for it.

I laugh when people balk at music that diverges from their micro-view of what is good. I can't help but picture those elderly people we chuckle at for still listening to Rag-time or Waltzes and think.........there lies YOUR future, except it will be Trance...atleast the kind that refused to evolve.


Progressive will not die, it's a contradiction in terms. Our current projection of what it is may die or change but forward-thinking music, the kind the keeps the scene vibrant and relevant, will remain steadfastly pushing ahead and creating new, powerful music.

FF

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion It amazes me at the breadth and scope of ignorance among many of those making contributions (and I say that in the loosest of terms)to this thread. It is unfortunate that the term "Progressive" was pinned to a certain hybrid of House, Techno and Trance sound, as it was more meant to be a mindset to the approach and technique of creating music which liberates itself from the standard structure of the popular style of its time. The term Progressive was given to any music that discarded the predictable foundations and elements of song creation. Essentially, it is an adjective to a style, therefore, as an example, to say Progressive Trance is boring is to say no Trance that attempts to advance and experiment from the formulaic standard has any value or energy so to dumb it down......those that knock progressive music, whatever it's form, essentially advertise their desire for music to stagnate and grow stale. Specifically, for those here that seem to make a hobby of bashing progressive music, stop the cozy little bubble which is your world for one minute and consider the FACT that Trance as YOU see it would have been long since extinct had not the elements of progressive and other forward thinking styles been injected into it by all the biggest Trance DJ's you blindly worship. Let's look at Tiesto, on a lark, shall we? It seems quite clear that much of his best work (Flight 643) and sets, have more a Techno spirit to them then pure uncut Trance. Armin? His tracklists read like an essential list for Prog/tech-trance/breaks along side the GENUINE good trance that still exists if one cares to search for it. I laugh when people balk at music that diverges from their micro-view of what is good. I can't help but picture those elderly people we chuckle at for still listening to Rag-time or Waltzes and think.........there lies YOUR future, except it will be Trance...atleast the kind that refused to evolve. Progressive will not die, it's a contradiction in terms. Our current projection of what it is may die or change but forward-thinking music, the kind the keeps the scene vibrant and relevant, will remain steadfastly pushing ahead and creating new, powerful music. FF

Thats what i meant to say.
VERY good points brought up i must say.

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Originally posted by ShAwZy Ummm who the fuck is this guy ?

does it matter?

if i wanted to quote you i would've used the quote feature most likely.

after browsing and participating in these forums for over a year I come to the conclusion that most people have a flavour of the month dj. There are the odd few who are die-hard tiesto fans or pvd fans, but a lot of people go nuts over who has put out the latest greatest set for the month.

Disagree with my conclusion? then say why

edit: after re-reading my post i should've made it more clear the i was generalizing. It wasn't really meant to be in response to Shawzy's post, who sounds like he genuinly doesn't care for sasha much, which is fine.

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion ^^

well put.

who cares what sasha starts playing. if it's good music it's good music

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion It amazes me at the breadth and scope of ignorance among many of those making contributions (and I say that in the loosest of terms)to this thread. It is unfortunate that the term "Progressive" was pinned to a certain hybrid of House, Techno and Trance sound, as it was more meant to be a mindset to the approach and technique of creating music which liberates itself from the standard structure of the popular style of its time.

This is a fancy definition of purpose, but I still have never been given a clear definition of what characterizes progressive music. (and I've asked...)

Could you answer this for me? (you sound like you know progressive music very well and speak about it easily.)

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC Disagree with my conclusion? then say why

I disagree with your statement because when you type "everybodies" you are meaning me and everyone in TA and I don't have flavors of the month. Got it ?
AND in your post you quoted "washed up" in quotations. I am the only one who typed that in this thread so it leads me to believe that you were quoting me.

Sorry if I am wrong.

Edit: just read your above post and now we are on the same track.