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Rodrico
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
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| quote: | Originally posted by rainbow_marble
this whole 'gay marriage' issue is utter non-sense. gays CAN get married! just not to each other. if they want to be together, it's called union. there should be NO issue, but for some reason you socialists insist they need their marriage. the majority of america sees it this way, yet the socialists dont. if it were up to me i'd ban marriage for people who support gay marriage to shut you idiots up. |
It's a good thing we live in a democracy to keep backwater yokels like you away from any real authoritive positions.
Marriage is just a man-made word used for a ritual of permanent monogamy with a partner. Nothing more. It isn't a sacred gift of some God, or is it only defined by man or woman, these are only religious out-looks of what their marriages are defined by. If the gays wish to be married by the state, not the church, then let them. I haven't really kept myself up to date with American policies on this subject, as to what are the current laws are stating I mean, but this is my take on it.
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MisterOpus1
Grumpy Old Fart
Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City
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In an interesting sidenote, Yale Law School is suing Uncle Sam for discriminationatory practices on campus, and then pressuring to withhold federal funds from the school unless it discriminates based on sexual orientation:
| quote: | Yale Law Sues Uncle Sam
The Department of Defense discriminates against gays, but has forced Yale Law to let them recruit on campus. Now faculty and students are fighting back.
by Dan Levine - July 22, 2004
Law student Adam Sofen: Itīs easy to become accustomed to discrimination if you donīt fight it. In the background is Rebecca Tinio.
Hello, Yale Law School? This is the Department of Defense. You won't let our military recruiters interview your students, like law firms do during career recruitment events. Kindly let our people into your events, or we'll withhold $300 million in funding from the entire university. You say we discriminate against gays and lesbians? Doesn't matter.
That exchange actually took place.
Hello, Yale Political Science Department? This is the Department of Homeland Security. One of your professors held a lecture entitled "American Neo-Fascism and George W. Bush." Kindly fire him, or we'll withhold $300 million from the entire university.
That exchange has never happened.
But when it comes to free speech rights, many academics and students fear the second scenario could easily flow from the first. In their view, the government's strong-arming Yale Law School into abandoning its anti-discrimination policy sets a dangerous precedent for freedom of thought.
To participate in events run by the school's Career Development Office -- like interview sessions -- law firms must certify that they do not discriminate based on race, religion, or sexual orientation, among other characteristics. Since the military does dismiss people for being openly gay, Yale Law School had in recent years denied military recruiters from its official sessions.
But two years ago, the school decided to allow recruiters into those events ... after the Department of Defense threatened to cut off all federal funding to the entire university -- not just the law school.
In response to the government's actions, one group of law school professors and another group of students have each filed separate lawsuits against the Department of Defense. The cases are proceeding along parallel lines in court, with all sides waiting to see if Judge Janet Hall of the U.S. District Court in Bridgeport will throw them out, schedule a trial, or rule that the professors and students should prevail as a matter of law -- without a trial.
The cases are important, law student Adam Sofen says, because if an exception is made for the military in this case, then more and more employers who discriminate may be allowed to recruit at Yale.
"Over time, it would be seen as uneventful that some employers discriminate," Sofen says. "It is very easy to become accustomed to discrimination if you do nothing to fight it."
In the mid-1990s, Congress passed what came to be known as the "Solomon Amendment." That law gave the government power to withhold federal funding from any university department that banned military recruiters from campus.
But in 2000, the Defense Department decided that it would deny funds to the entire university if only one of its departments denied access to military recruiters, the students' legal complaint says. The DOD didn't decide to play hardball until December 2001, and faced with jeopardizing $300 million for the university, the law school eventually relented.
Yale is not alone. Other law schools are challenging the DOD on its use of the Solomon Amendment, including the University of Pennsylvania. Yale's administration has been supportive of the legal actions challenging the government, Sofen says.
A Department of Justice spokesman declined to comment on the case.
But even though the immediate issue is discrimination, some see broad free speech rights at stake. The American Association of University Professors filed an amicus brief in the Yale cases, arguing that law school's anti-discrimination policy is an expression of pedagogy distinctly different from military policy. By threatening the law school to change its policy, the DOD is actually suppressing the school's First Amendment right to run itself differently than the military.
"American universities would face grave consequences if the government were permitted to use its funding in the way it has here," the brief says. "In 2002, the federal government provided approximately $87 billion in funding to universities and colleges across the country. It is not difficult to imagine that members of the faculties at these institutions often take positions in conflict with official government policy.
"Under the government's view of the First Amendment in this case," the brief continues, "it would be constitutionally permissible for the government to withdraw all federal funds to a university unless a particular faculty member or group of professors agreed to cease communicating a message that the government disliked. Such governmental power over university faculties would have far-reaching and devastating consequences for research and education."
http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/N...t?oid=oid:74996 |
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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
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and stick pickles in my honker...
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