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Cyrus King
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto

quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
Nobody?

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com...0cda539f3e2b924

Everyone do me a favor and watch that for at least 2 minutes. It'll go on for a while longer, but you'll get the picture pretty quickly.

By any reasonable definition of "brainwash", there is no way you can win this argument. Nations with free presses and tightly controlled tyrannies are incomparable in terms of the influence exerted over the population, and the extent to which the populace will widely hold beliefs that are demonstratably false.

Then again, so much of the modern Palestinian national cause rests on demonstratably false premises (gross misinterpretations of international law, fabrication of "atrocities" such as jenin, etc) that I doubt this is an issue for you.


It is extremely sad and that these images exist....and although it does occur quite often in palestinian society to condemn the state of Israel, it comes to no surprise that these feelings of anymosity are perpetuated.

However i beleive they have a right to express their anger and overall feeling of resistence to this occupation. Excluding the involvement of children holding guns, I actually respect them for expressing their anger and want of resistence of this brutal occupation.

Israel has cultured this phenomena of hate seeking death oriented mentality and has fueled desperation with every oppressive action they think is a solution to the "arab problem". They have placed these people in a situation that has fostered these thoughts. If the palestinians were COLLECTIVELY treated as humans and not dogs, they wouldnt COLLECTIVELY hate.

On a side note, that very slide show has an agenda. I can post slideshows here depeicting Israeli atrocities and make it look as though they are inherently evil as a people. Do you ever think why these people are brainwashing their youth to hate ISrael? Do youthink they are born screaming "death to jews"?

The site you posted is a joke to say the least.

Topicsin the web blog imply that arabs/pals are evil....for fucks sake they have a "palestinian car swarming" slideshow. Im sure that was added to make them look like "civil" people



Aside from everything, i think its also interesting to note that the majority of the voters of the polls on this site are idiots. Why??? This results below explain

IDIOTS


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DaveSZ
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Registered: Jan 2003
Location: ATX

Hehe I love this guy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/07/p...ign/07bush.html

quote:


snip

"So the colleges should get rid of legacy?" Mr. Martin asked Mr. Bush at a question-and-answer session that followed the president's address to the convention.

"Well, I think so," said Mr. Bush, who is a son, grandson and also a father of Yale graduates. "Yeah. I think it ought to be based on merit."

snip

Mr. Bush added: "This is a dangerous time. I wish it wasn't this way. I wish I wasn't the war president. Who in the heck wants to be a war president? I don't..."

snip

At one point, some of Mr. Bush's listeners began laughing when the president became tangled up in response to a question about the meaning of tribal sovereignty in the 21st century, and how Americans should resolve conflicts between tribes and the federal and state governments.

"Tribal sovereignty means that it's sovereign," Mr. Bush replied. "You're a - you've been given sovereignty and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities."

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: New York City in a Café del Mar mood

quote:
"So the colleges should get rid of legacy?" Mr. Martin asked Mr. Bush at a question-and-answer session that followed the president's address to the convention.

"Well, I think so," said Mr. Bush, who is a son, grandson and also a father of Yale graduates. "Yeah. I think it ought to be based on merit."

snip

Mr. Bush added: "This is a dangerous time. I wish it wasn't this way. I wish I wasn't the war president. Who in the heck wants to be a war president? I don't..."

snip

At one point, some of Mr. Bush's listeners began laughing when the president became tangled up in response to a question about the meaning of tribal sovereignty in the 21st century, and how Americans should resolve conflicts between tribes and the federal and state governments.

"Tribal sovereignty means that it's sovereign," Mr. Bush replied. "You're a - you've been given sovereignty and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities."


My goodness the befuddlement is neverending with this man, does he even understand the issues he was speaking about. If I was in the audience I would have burst out laughing at the man


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TuanAnh213
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bush is a fucking idiot

anybody who agrees with him suck

E.O.D.


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Cobolt
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Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ -USA

quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213
bush is a fucking idiot

anybody who agrees with him suck

E.O.D.


How eloquently put.

While we are at it.

Laws suck anyone who follows them sucks

anyone who does not think what TuanAnh213 thinks, sucks.

Anyone who disagrees with me posting this post sucks........

I just wish you offered more then "bush is a fucking idiot"

Frankly I agree with you, He is an ass.

but you shouldn't attempt to insult people so plainly. Be creative! haha

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tathi
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Registered: Jan 2003
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as always

the world is laughing


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batemanscott
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Hello Americans, I just want to point out firstly I am not anti-america, secondly I love American people and what your country stands for but I thought I might take a moment to remind you of just how badly the world now perceives your nation and your people.

I want to let you know how much the entire free world now fears it's "big brother" , you should know how much of a joke we all think bush is, and sadly, and wrongly, it reflects on you all. Like many I supported the iraqui invasion and my countries suppport in it.

i was wrong.

I don't know how long it will take your nation to recover from the international joke it has become due to the bush administration, but i can only hope john kerry is better and that you all wake up to yourselves and vote him in ( i know little of him but trust me......there is no way in the world he could do worse.)

Dont take this the wrong way ( I am hoping "American arrogance" doesn't blind you to WHAT i am saying) I simply thought you should be aware that who leads usa to some extent leads the world but since world war 2 we have never had a more unstable peace and it's thanks to the actions of america over the last few years.

I fear that should things get really bad i.e war, you will find almost nobody to stand beside you. You have an amazing military, we all know that, but surely you still need allies big or small.

Seriously guys bushes speeches where you all debate it's not what he says it what he does, fuck that!! If the fucking moron can't string together a simple speech it really isn't a good sign of what he represents.

I'm ready to hear all your "keep ur foriegn opinion to urself shit , but as i said this was meant as friendly advice. I have always loved the relationship my country (Australia) and yours share, but the actions of bush have fucked us aswell.

Remember how ur nation came to be the greatest in the world, strong realtionships with other nations, and a relentless economy, that will not last if you continue with bush.

Regards,
Scott.

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Shakka
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Registered: Feb 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by batemanscott

Seriously guys bushes speeches where you all debate it's not what he says it what he does, fuck that!! If the fucking moron can't string together a simple speech it really isn't a good sign of what he represents.


Ironically, I tried to use the same argument when debunking Stephen Hawking on the matter of theoretical physics. I exposed John Nash that way too.

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ResonantDrag
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: just visiting

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Ironically, I tried to use the same argument when debunking Stephen Hawking on the matter of theoretical physics. I exposed John Nash that way too.


good point... wrong man

mathmatical genius usually has it's social downfalls, as does pure stupidity. if you can prove that bush's theorum of:
increased spending + tax cuts = balanced budget

i'll go along with that one

otherwise don't insult great minds with foundationless associations

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Shakka
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Registered: Feb 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by LiquidX
Well, the only answer to that is.. Iraq is not made for Democracy.. Is one of those society's that only works with strong order by a strong leader.


I think that's a pretty shitty thing to say, but I'll also admit that I'm not the authority on the best system of government in Iraq. I do believe that every person in the world has the right to be free and to live for themselves, not to live at the mercy of an oppressive regime that deprives them of rights. In the case of Iraq, it's fair to say that most of the population doesn't even know what it means to be free, so of course it is difficult for them to comprehend it in it's early stages. Particularly since illiteracy is such a rampant problem in that region of the world.

NY Times Article

quote:

Arabs on the Verge of Democracy
By DANIELLE PLETKA

Published: August 9, 2004

Washington — Early last month, John Kerry devoted 11 days to fleshing out his foreign policy priorities. Promoting democracy in the Middle East, he made clear, will not be high on his agenda. Sadly, Mr. Kerry's decision could not have come at a worse moment. For the first time in half a century, democracy is the talk of the Arab world.

Mr. Kerry has not been specific about many of his goals, but one thing he's gone out of his way to advertise is his distaste for pushing reform at the expense of "stability" in the Middle East. Sure, he's in favor of democracy in principle, but not as the centerpiece of his foreign policy agenda. "Realism," in the fashion of Metternich and Kissinger, is his guiding light, Mr. Kerry told The New Yorker.

In this respect, Mr. Kerry echoes President George H. W. Bush and even his own father, Richard Kerry, a diplomat who once criticized the Reagan administration's "fatal error of seeing U.S. security as dependent on illusions of propagating democracy" in the Soviet bloc.

Such "realism," of course, was anything but. It failed to appreciate the real forces and opportunities at work in the world. The same is true today. The initial reviews of the current President Bush's push for reform in the Middle East may have been harsh, especially from the region's entrenched powers. Yet in the last few months, the debate, once confined to émigré papers published in London or Paris, has suddenly bubbled up onto the pages of the state-controlled press in the Arab world.

And what about the argument that democracy can't be "imposed" from the outside? That counsel of despair was knocked out of the park by the Palestinian scholar Daoud Kuttab, who wrote in the London-based Arabic daily Al Hayat that "Arab democrats have failed to reach their goals through their own efforts" and should welcome support from outside "irrespective of the messenger." Naguib Mahfouz, the Egyptian Nobel laureate, went even further in Al Ahram, Egypt's main daily newspaper, warning that postponing reform would be "playing with fire."

Mr. Kerry and his surrogates, meanwhile, worry about change that comes "too quickly" and breeds "violence and repression," in the words of an old Kerry hand from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Jonathan Winer.

Arab democrats and their supporters abroad, however, might respond that the Arab world is hardly short of violence and repression as things now stand, and change that comes too slowly might prove the biggest danger. Indeed, the fruits of "stability" are hard to find in the latest Arab Human Development Report issued by the United Nations Development Program. It describes the Arab Middle East and North Africa as the least politically free region of the world. It also describes a region where 65 million adults are illiterate, almost two-thirds of them women, and where one in five citizens lives on less than $2 a day.

At the same time, Arabs are increasingly exposed to the world through the electronic media, and likely to become more angry and frustrated about their degraded status in a globalizing world economy. You don't have to strain to see such forces at play in the blind rage of Islamic radicals, or to suspect that continued "stability" of the sort that has held the region's politics and economies in stagnation for the last 40 years will only make matters worse.

In theory, the Broader Middle East and North Africa Initiative rolled out by President Bush at the Group of 8 summit meeting in June is aimed at addressing the roots of terrorism in the Middle East. In fact, the initiative has amounted to little more than a tepid cheer for Arab democracy, and the Bush administration has been less aggressive in following through on its modest proposals than many hoped. If American support for democracy is going to amount to anything, there's a lot more work to be done, especially among the skeptics inside the United States Foreign Service. And if Mr. Bush can't rally his own troops to the cause, he's unlikely to continue making headway overseas.

But make no mistake, he has made headway. Notwithstanding the administration's modest approach, democracy is now at the center of debate in Arab capitals. And while some in the United States continue to insist that Arab democracy is the fantasy of a discredited cabal in Washington, an effort to avoid what they assert should be America's only priority - resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict - Arab intellectuals don't necessarily agree. The director of Egypt's Al Ahram center for Political and Strategic Studies, Abdel Monem Said, took the issue on himself. "Making reform and human rights contingent upon resolving the Palestinian problem," he said, "confirms what the American neo-cons are saying, that the political regimes harming human rights are using the Palestinian problem in order to divert glances from their own behavior."

It's not 1989 in the Middle East, and a series of velvet revolutions aren't on tap for the immediate future. But the intellectual firepower that underlies any such revolution is growing; the region is in the throes of genuine pro-democratic ferment. And governments have taken note, admittedly in their own half-hearted fashion. The Arab League has embraced a series of self-serving reforms; the Saudis have announced plans for municipal elections starting in November; and the Bahrainis and Qataris are making real changes to their political systems.

Ferment is not change, but Mr. Kerry and his advisers may be kidding themselves that an incipient upheaval can be turned off just by Washington whistling another tune. More likely, without change, the United States will face one collapsing dictatorship after another and an instability much greater and more threatening than any that would come from an aggressive American push for democracy. Mr. Kerry would be wiser to try to see the world as it is - and realize that hoping the United States can impose an unchanging "stability" on the Arab world may be the greatest unrealism of all.

Danielle Pletka is vice president of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute

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discojoe
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Ottawa Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
he is a leader, not an english teacher....


and thats the scary part. a man that dumb leads a people of 280 million. really really doesnt say alot for the country.

heres another one. this one i found today on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...gacy/index.html

quote:
Affirmative action
While Bush clearly stated his opposition to quotas, he also suggested that he was not opposed to affirmative action.

But he didn't explain what the distinction was.

"I support college affirmatively taking action to get more minorities in their school," Bush said as the audience laughed.




all i can say is WOW. thats horrible. just horrible. how anyone could be moved or 'lead' by a man that stupid is mind boggling. if americans see bush as a leader and follow him because of it.. its really really frightning to think what a Hitler could do there. I dont know what to think of Iraq or the American's choice to invade but if the American people support the decision simply because they trust that moron as a leader, it really is a country made up as a whole of nothing but stupid children.

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