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Originally posted by nrjizer Like others have said, you must take a share of the blame as well, because it was your label that put the promo copy into the ripper's hands to begin with. Unless you keep your track completely locked away until its release, you run the risk of it being leaked. That may not be fair, but that's just the way things work. Of course, the ripper is the real one to blame. As for downloaders, this is the filesharing age, there's simply no way around it. But I honestly beleive that mp3s help the industry a lot. It's pretty much free exposure. People who would have otherwise never heard the track might hear it, like it, and go buy it. They might not like it enough to buy it then, but whenever that artist/label puts out another release it might grab their attention and they'll buy that one. It was mp3 sharing that introduced me to EDM. Prior to then, I never really bought any CDs because there weren't any that I cared for here in Bumfuck, USA. But thanks to filesharing, I'm now hooked on this crazy computer music. I've bought many more CDs in the past few years than I have in my entire life. I've also plunked down about $1200 on turntables and $700-800 total on vinyl, which I buy on a regular basis. The industry wouldn't have seen one cent from me if it wasn't for rampant mp3 sharing. How do you know DJ Celica wouldn't have been first in line at the record store to buy it the day it came out? It's unfair to assume that everyone who downloads doesn't buy. I've been rocking my mp3 copy of James Zabiela - Alive for 2 weeks now. Just came out in the US today. After I post this I'm going to check my bank acct, then swing over to Amazon and pick it up. The real theives are DJs who download tracks, burn them, and then spin them at gigs for profit. But I see nothing wrong with kids in their bedrooms downloading tracks and mixing them in traktor to share with their buddies. The real problem here is lack of alternative. It's unrealistic to expect the average joe listener to purchase vinyl these days. Most don't even own turntables. Companies like BeatPort are already leading the way - if more would follow suit, sharing would be less of an issue.

i agree, i think that myself, like many people, WILL buy a good tune on vinyl regardless of whether they have the mp3 or not.
i havent heard this track that bagguley is on about (i dont listen to trance anymore), but if its amazing ill buy it. if i was listening to trance id buy even if it wasnt that amazing to use as a filler

however, if the track is shit and doesnt sell thats another issue altogether that cannot be blamed on mp3s

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Originally posted by Radagast So much for doing it for the sake of art. All he cares about are the dollar signs.

what a fuckin stupid comment. if someone was stealing a chunk of your paycheck on every month by doing nothing more than clicking a mouse button for money that you actually need to pay the bills, money you have earned, you'd be fucked off to. do you do your job for the love of it? i doubt it. these people enjoy their work obviously, but hey need to eat to. small labels like andy's struggle to survive these days enough as it is. blah blah blah, you know the rest. and FYI we don't have dollars in Britain you ignorant ****.

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Originally posted by Nell what a fuckin stupid comment. if someone was stealing a chunk of your paycheck on every month by doing nothing more than clicking a mouse button for money that you actually need to pay the bills, money you have earned, you'd be fucked off to. do you do your job for the love of it? i doubt it. these people enjoy their work obviously, but hey need to eat to. small labels like andy's struggle to survive these days enough as it is. blah blah blah, you know the rest. and FYI we don't have dollars in Britain you ignorant ****.

I concur

apparently the mp3's are of real high quality, appears to of come from a CD or a digital source, definately not a vinyl rip. i can't confirm this myself, ill check it later. does this have any significance of the people taht have the promo.. were they all given vinyl copies?

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Originally posted by Nell apparently the mp3's are of real high quality, appears to of come from a CD or a digital source, definately not a vinyl rip. i can't confirm this myself, ill check it later. does this have any significance of the people taht have the promo.. were they all given vinyl copies?

a little tangent here, but aren't vinyl rips higher quality than cd rips?

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Originally posted by Azz3D I would get a real job then in addition to DJing/ producing. Most DJs don't have a schedule as busy as sasha or pvd for that matter, I'm sure there's some spare time for another job.

i don't know what your original reply was, but to comment on this one.... if you're doing what yuo love and trying hard, you shouldn't have to get a second job to support yourself because someone is stealing your paycheck... that's not very fair, now is it? and who knows how long some of these songs take to produce...

and andy is running a record label... much more time/expense involved in that... it's actually running a business!

-keith

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Originally posted by nrjizer Like others have said, you must take a share of the blame as well, because it was your label that put the promo copy into the ripper's hands to begin with. Unless you keep your track completely locked away until its release, you run the risk of it being leaked. That may not be fair, but that's just the way things work. Of course, the ripper is the real one to blame. As for downloaders, this is the filesharing age, there's simply no way around it. But I honestly beleive that mp3s help the industry a lot. It's pretty much free exposure. People who would have otherwise never heard the track might hear it, like it, and go buy it. They might not like it enough to buy it then, but whenever that artist/label puts out another release it might grab their attention and they'll buy that one. It was mp3 sharing that introduced me to EDM. Prior to then, I never really bought any CDs because there weren't any that I cared for here in Bumfuck, USA. But thanks to filesharing, I'm now hooked on this crazy computer music. I've bought many more CDs in the past few years than I have in my entire life. I've also plunked down about $1200 on turntables and $700-800 total on vinyl, which I buy on a regular basis. The industry wouldn't have seen one cent from me if it wasn't for rampant mp3 sharing. How do you know DJ Celica wouldn't have been first in line at the record store to buy it the day it came out? It's unfair to assume that everyone who downloads doesn't buy. I've been rocking my mp3 copy of James Zabiela - Alive for 2 weeks now. Just came out in the US today. After I post this I'm going to check my bank acct, then swing over to Amazon and pick it up. The real theives are DJs who download tracks, burn them, and then spin them at gigs for profit. But I see nothing wrong with kids in their bedrooms downloading tracks and mixing them in traktor to share with their buddies. The real problem here is lack of alternative. It's unrealistic to expect the average joe listener to purchase vinyl these days. Most don't even own turntables. Companies like BeatPort are already leading the way - if more would follow suit, sharing would be less of an issue.

good plee (y)

like the other guy said, internet is a double edged sword, you gain and loose from it.

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Originally posted by Octanesyco Greetings. My name is Casey. You can call me Moose. -Moose

funny thing about this thread is i don't even read americans posts

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not necessarily... while a vinyl ultimately can have a better quality due to the fact that it's analog, when you "rip" something (into a mp3 for example) you're compressing it into whatever format you choose.. so whether it came from a vinyl or cdr if you compressed it to 192kbps, the difference is going to be negligible

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Originally posted by keithos27 a little tangent here, but aren't vinyl rips higher quality than cd rips?

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare funny thing about this thread is i don't even read americans posts

there is an intelligent reply

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Originally posted by E-vangelist not necessarily... while a vinyl ultimately can have a better quality due to the fact that it's analog, when you "rip" something (into a mp3 for example) you're compressing it into whatever format you choose.. so whether it came from a vinyl or cdr if you compressed it to 192kbps, the difference is going to be negligible

okay, thanks.