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Originally posted by Radagast Joining the military isn't about college scholarships, making friends, or travelling the world. It's about gambling your life and being directly controlled by the government. It's your fault if you have to learn this the hard way. Yes those people are stupid spec. They see a Marines AD on TV showcasing it's scholarship plan or an Navy AD showing how great it is to travel the world. Making people believe that that's what they are going to have to look forward to. Wrong. I guess people in the situations you describe found this out the hard way.

isn't that a matter of personal perspective?


what you call brainwashing, they call learning to do that job. and being controlled by the government, i would hope they woudl control theri employees.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 isn't that a matter of personal perspective? what you call brainwashing, they call learning to do that job. and being controlled by the government, i would hope they woudl control theri employees.

Personal perspective? You're gambling your life on a scholarship or the ability to travel the world or to make new friends. Is that hard to comprehend?

And when did I say brainwashing?

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Originally posted by Radagast Personal perspective? You're gambling your life on a scholarship or the ability to travel the world or to make new friends. Is that hard to comprehend? And when did I say brainwashing?

oops, mixed you and spec up. cut out the brainwashing part.

and its not hard to comprehend at all, in fact I think we can all agree that it is a gamble, much like life is. You gamble on things all the time, wtf is the big deal with the military?

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Originally posted by Boomer187 we shoudl have been a lot more humaine and just killed them. and I love the use of "potential psychological impact". I woudl think these guys would expect this kind of treatment since this is what they are trained to administer. i keep forgetting what your point is here. What are you trying to say, that the american military is bad? or that militaries in general are bad?

Guilty until proven innocent hey? That sounds like a fair system.

It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

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Originally posted by spec Guilty until proven innocent hey? That sounds like a fair system. It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

the system adn fair never go well together.

i actually have considered joining the military. the thought of me going to your country and killing you while getting paid sounds delightful. but I didn't join.




plus, could you answer my one question, what is the point of this thread? is it a complaint against the us military, military in general..or what. I am confused.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 You gamble on things all the time,

Things? What things? Be more specific?

In the military you're trained to kill in situations where it's kill or be killed. No choices. Just kill or be killed. And you hope it doesn't come to that. Oh yeah I guess everyone is gambling with their life every moment of every day. I mean accidents happen. A stray bullet that someone shot into the air could come down on your head for instance, or some equally uncommon thing. But joining the military is willfully decreasing your chances of winning your everyday gamble with life.

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Last edited by Radagast on Aug-12-2004 at 07:27

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Originally posted by Radagast Things? What things? Be more specific? Something more common and more dangerous than the military I hope.

businesses, jobs, what your gonna eat, etc, etc.


if you break it down far enough, you'll notice a lot of gambles. when you get into businesses you'll notice they can be very dangerous, you could lose your ass.


but I think we are getting off on a tangent....a tangent from some topic I am sure.

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Originally posted by spec Guilty until proven innocent hey? That sounds like a fair system. It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

I know plenty of people who joined the military. So they are now stupid, just for the sole fact they joined? God that has to be the dumbest comment ever. IF YOU JOINED THE MILITARY YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD!!! You site sources from Amensty Internatationl. In no way am i saying that they lie, they inflate the truth. Why don't you site some sources that is neutral. That's like me trying to prove points by statments given by the Pentagon. I'm sure you take at face vaule. What do you have against the indivual solider anyways? It's funny how you can label a person who is patriotic as brainwashed, yet i'm sure you'll label somebody against the goverment a rebel. It's the same shit, differnt pile.

Yeah forget it. Too tired to talk about anything.

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Originally posted by spec It sounds like you have the required ignorance and stupidity to join the army? Ever considered it?

i know this was directed to Boomer, but do you also think everybody in the military is stupid and ignorant? without these so called "stupid and ignorant" people you wouldnt have the life you do today,.. we dont create war... we keep the peace

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Originally posted by Radagast Things? What things? Be more specific? In the military you're trained to kill in situations where it's kill or be killed. No choices. Just kill or be killed. And you hope it doesn't come to that. Oh yeah I guess everyone is gambling with their life every moment of every day. I mean accidents happen. A stray bullet that someone shot into the air could come down on your head for instance, or some equally uncommon thing. But joining the military is willfully decreasing your chances of winning your everyday gamble with life.

truthfully i think the military makes the gamble of life a wash b/c its true i might have to be put in a situation to kill or be killed, but it's not like im just off the street and in that situation... i have had plenty of training to up my chances of winning that battle

and militaristic training aside it has made me a better as a leader, with group cohesion, confidence, manners, respect, courage etc...

i forget who said the part where we are controlled by the government,... Boomer is right, of course we are,.. its my employer just like any job,..

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Personally, the military does not sound like a good idea to me and probably not to most people because they sorta have to bribe people to go. But their are good points and bad points to it, just as there are good point and bad points to anything. For the bad points first. You can die, complete loss of will to the government, intense training, and time away from family and/or significant other. The good points, pride, protection of your homeland, building of character, military benefits, you may get to travel, you may get money for college, you most likely will make new friends. Now to some people, this may be enough. But for me and for most people it's just plain not. I will not join the military unless I am forced to through the prospective military academy that i may go to, or if there is a draft and, if the war that there is a draft for I do not support I probably still won't go. But regardless of if i want to go to the military or not, I still support the troops because they generally have no choice in where they are sent or what they have to do (unless it violates the code of war ethics).

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