quote:

Originally posted by Special_K DRY HUMP ALLIANCE 2004!!!!!!!1

LOL, you need to make a banner.... I'll sport it.

___________________
Helping girls make bad decisions since 1979

quote:

Originally posted by Dirk W. Dave, dave, dave.... perhaps, it is you that has a distorted image of what exactly clubbing is. People go to clubs to hook up, get wasted, etc. I definitely judge other people's looks and look at beautiful girls. I also do the white boy grind when I am dancing sometimes because: A) the dancefloor is either too crowded to dance with a girl any other way B) it's fun It's not to impress all the dancefloor queens out there. If you can dance awesome, then great, but no one really cares except you and whatever girl you're dancing with. What you're mixing up is the difference between a rave and a club. When I think of a club, I think of somewhere you get dressed up to go, drink or whatever your thing is, meet people, dance how you want and go home. When you think of a club you obviously are thinking of the warehouses where anyone can get in wearing whatever ridiculous apparel they want, dance by themselves all night and want it to be as "underground" as possible -- this is a rave. I stated that house music gets the floor going more than trance does under normal circumstances to a general public - I am right. It brings elements of hip-hop, EDM and yes, that poppy crap they play on TV without compromising its own unique style as a whole different genre -- therefore, it reaches a larger crowd and fills the floor easier.

First, excellent job in explaining where you disagreed with me. I apperiate those who take their time to write an well-thoughtout rebutal. Unlike others

Interesting to see how you admited to being one of those poeple that "judge" others. Won't comment on that.

However. please re-read what i worte carefully because I think you are misunderstanding what I am reccomending. I am in essence refereing to changing the underlining culuture and value system of the american club land. A reversal , one might say, of what club culture should be. (Let me briefly explain. People should still dress up to go to clubs but this shouldnt be the prodimant reason why anyone would want to go out.Clubbing, imo, should be about the music.) This is where we disagree.

Your rebuttal is not based on theory or of virtues but rather the dogmatic principiles that shape the system today. In order to approach this question you must look beyond yourself and look at the greater picture. Try to find the true answer not the commonly sought beleived one.

I have clearly seen in many posts that many can not step away from persoanly dogmatic idealogy. The role one should undertake when debating is to isloate personal beliefs and critically anylize the arguement at hand. Having an open mind and an open heart greatly foster intellgent debate.


DJ Intrigue I could not justify a response to your 3 sentence rebuttal;, which I found more a personal attack rather than an attack on the statement.

Genrealiztion are dangerous to make, however, to properely anylize the value of system of clubs we must try to make similarties in pratice in clubs around the USA ;as a result we generalize.

The specific statements made about club culture was not intended to be a personal attack on anyone ( unlike what many of you are trying to conjure now). Let us please move back on topic and debate the inaccurancies or truths in the cultural system within the American clubs. I have brougth forth my understanding and linked causation for todays dimise in club culture which in turn has affected EDM and the DJ.

___________________
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/davepiazza

Last edited by Dave Piazza on Sep-14-2004 at 08:49

quote:

Originally posted by Special_K ummmmm. Sounds to me like you ARE baseing that statement on what you read on tranceaddict. thats exactly what it says, unless you worded that last comment wrong. but whatever. and to the comment made by wraith, I really hope you dont see TA as the be all end all when it comes to info on international electronic music scenes, cause it dosnt even come close.

What I meant to say was that I have read enough threads to compare the USA to Holland, in matters of people liking trance or not.

I never claimed that I know exactly what's going on in the USA, because I don't.

Hope this clears things up a bit...

quote:

Originally posted by Special_K and back to the DJ issue for a second i said it before but im ganna be a bit more harsh now, If you get asked to play at a top 40 club, and you spin trance, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU TAKE THE GIG??. One thing i have learned in the many years i have been playing is that forcing music on people, no matter what the genre will NEVER WORK. This is the fisrt time i will say how SHOCKED i am to read so many threads about amature trance or house dj's going to a gig and playing hip-hop or top 40 at the last min. This entire summer i held a residency at one of the nicest lounges in the city i live in, the place was VERY expensive so i was playing for very wealthy 40'somthing crowd (very hard crowd to read) Most people loved it, some hated it, not once did i comprimise my style, not once did i play somthing i didnt want to. If at any point the owner would have asked me to play some hip-hop or top 40 or anything i didnt actually play i would have packed up and left. You got to stay true to your shit, otherwise whats the point?

I agree 100%. Beautifully said.

quote:

Originally posted by Special_K Oh ya and most of you who are all against "grinding" (god knows why) ya its probably cause you've never even done it before, Im sorry but if im on the dance floor and a hottie wants to grind.....no fucking way im saying no, i dont care what kinda music is playing. haha because having hot girls dry hump you is such a horrible experience LOL......

I explained how grinding and it popularity has beeen a cause for certain forms of EDM to flourish. In particular, why trance can not be embraced by horny white boys in middle america.

Please re-read what I said. You are not reading carfully and as a result are drawing improper conclusions from the statements.

___________________
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/davepiazza

Dave, maybe if you quit throwing around the phrase "horny white boys in middle america", people may respond in a different tone. There are no need for comments like that and you know it. Also, telling people they have a "warped" mind gets you nowhere either. That sounds like junior high school name calling. I think it is you who needs to think about what they write a wee bit more. I cannot fully respect you or your replies until you learn to stop the irrelevant and assumption-based comments. You must not have seen the Bad News Bears. "Gentlemen, do not ASSUME anything. That way, you won't make and ASS out of U or ME."

A lot of what you just agreed with, I had mentioned, with logic, a few pages back, so do not tell me I can't give thought-out responses (I know that comment was directed towards me).

Anyway, I do agree that clubbing should be about the music to an extent, but it is also about having a good time. If you go simply to listen for that perfect song and that is all you do, no dancing, no nothing, then why go clubbing at all? If this is the case, tune into ASOT or download the sets and listen at your leisure at home. However, please realize that not everyone gets as logically deep in the music as you. To them, music is music, not a 14 page classical piece with all the accidentals and key changes to mind boggle a person. To them, the club experience is about having a good time in whatever ways they choose.

___________________
"...the major problem in the past was to locate the settings of the ancient plastic city. referring to our latest findings plastic city wasn't a city built of stone or metal but more kind of built out of ideas.... (PLASTIC CITY) can't be found by our archaeologists. we will have to examine the ideas and then try to re-construct plastic city in out minds..." (EXCERPT FROM "SCIENTIST REPORT NETWORK" #12.587, YEAR 2495)

quote:

Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I cannot fully respect you or your replies until you learn to stop the irrelevant and assumption-based comments.

Conversely, I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]


*NOTE* THE TERM I USED WAS AGREE NOT REPSECT BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYONE DESERVES RESPECT.

ONCE AGAIN, YOU AGE IS SHOWN IN YOUR POST. WHEN YOU ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO POST INTELLEGENTLY, BUT UNTIL THEN, STICK TO YOUR MATH HOMEWORK, AND LEAVE THIS CONVERSATION TO ADULTS.

[ End of Discusion ]

___________________
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/davepiazza

Last edited by Dave Piazza on Sep-14-2004 at 14:45

quote:

Originally posted by davepiazza Conversely, I can not respect you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ] [ End of Discusion ]

You are so full of it, it's ridiculous. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TRANCE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES. You are being so naiive in your assumptions that your head is up your ass tight. Maybe you should think about relocating to Europe if you honestly feel this way. Just because you worship the big trance dj's on the highest pedastal possible, does not make you knowledgable about other genres of dance music and other types of dj's. GROW UP, KID.

Also, what right do you have to tell me about my knowledge of dj'ing and dance music. You have none. So, your excuses are weak and need some adjustment.

___________________
"...the major problem in the past was to locate the settings of the ancient plastic city. referring to our latest findings plastic city wasn't a city built of stone or metal but more kind of built out of ideas.... (PLASTIC CITY) can't be found by our archaeologists. we will have to examine the ideas and then try to re-construct plastic city in out minds..." (EXCERPT FROM "SCIENTIST REPORT NETWORK" #12.587, YEAR 2495)

quote:

Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Just because you worship the big trance dj's on the highest pedastal possible, does not make you knowledgable about other genres of dance music and other types of dj's. GROW UP, KID.

And your PhD in Electronic Dance Music certifies your opinion.


And please stop talking to me like a child because we all know who is a really the teenager here. I think I hear the school bell ringin johnny....

___________________
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/davepiazza

quote:

Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Also, what right do you have to tell me about my knowledge of dj'ing and dance music. You have none.

No. Based on your replies to this topic we can all see you limited knowledge of dj'ing and dance music. Unlike the others who have posted intellegent and thoughful comments you continue to try to attack me and not the issue.

AS a result:

I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]

___________________
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/davepiazza

If you two actually care about someone else's opionion, here's mine:

I think the both of you need to relax. This way, everybody thinks nobody is right and there will never be an understanding.

People are different, and will always be different.

And Dave: Please think about what you are saying...

quote:

I can not AGREE with you or your replies until you learn to to think about what EDM and being a DJ means. [ PERIOD ]

There is more to EDM than just TRANCE. House is EDM too, just like electro, techno, etc...

And house can bring up the same emotions as trance, although that seems to be a bit hard for you to understand.

quote:

Originally posted by djxtension There is more to EDM than just TRANCE. House is EDM too, just like electro, techno, etc... And house can bring up the same emotions as trance, although that seems to be a bit hard for you to understand.

I never said lets eliminate everything execept for trance. I dont understand this inmpression derived from my statements.

What I tried to explain was why I beleived trance was not as accpeted as other forms of EDM. NOT why trance is king and everything else sucks.


I beleive that certain genres of EDM provides a unique feeling and emotion. Yes. House can lift you up but there is something disticntivly differnent, imo , in the characteristics of the eupjoric feeling in house vs. prog. vs trance vs hard trance.

Yes they are all good, but in my mind each is like a different color of the rainbow. each experession a diffenent sound, different message ect. Yes like colors there can be variation ; such as dark blue or light blue ( i.e. uplifting house , vocal house , etc.) However the color remians the same.


As I said before my comments were to explain why trance is not big in clubs within the USA. I tried to explain the cultural and social values present in these clubs. I also tried to explain why certian forms of edm work well in this context.

I did not say that trance is king and everyhting else sucks.


Please let us debate the issue I brought up.


Thank you

___________________
http://www.musicv2.com/artist/davepiazza

quote:

Originally posted by Dave Piazza I never said lets eliminate everything execept for trance. I dont understand this inmpression derived from my statements. What I tried to explain was why I beleived trance was not as accpeted as other forms of EDM. NOT why trance is king and everything else sucks. I beleive that certain genres of EDM provides a unique feeling and emotion. Yes. House can lift you up but there is something disticntivly differnent, imo , in the characteristics of the eupjoric feeling in house vs. prog. vs trance vs hard trance. Yes they are all good, but in my mind each is like a different color of the rainbow. each experession a diffenent sound, different message ect. Yes like colors there can be variation ; such as dark blue or light blue ( i.e. uplifting house , vocal house , etc.) However the color remians the same. As I said before my comments were to explain why trance is not big in clubs within the USA. I tried to explain the cultural and social values present in these clubs. I also tried to explain why certian forms of edm work well in this context. I did not say that trance is king and everyhting else sucks. Please let us debate the issue I brought up. Thank you

I think it might have been just the way it was stated earlier. However, what you are saying does make sense. It may not really be accurate (at least in my opinion) but they are well drawn out conclusions. So anyways, to each their own

and oh yea, I'm right

___________________
Helping girls make bad decisions since 1979