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Originally posted by DigiNut Sorry to be political but everybody should understand that the reason for this is the way men are looked at but society. Watch any TV show and you'll see the men portrayed as stupid, horny, desperate, spineless incompetents, and to make matters worse, most men actually accept this stereotype on themselves as if it were true. It really is role reversal because this is how society used to look at women, if you read old books or watch old movies. Time for a "men's movement!" I heard that U of T is actually starting up a "Men's studies" program. Discuss.

I've been saying this for ages.

Let's not even talk about the court system when it comes to divorce issues. Talk about reverse sexism at it's most perverse.

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Originally posted by Tordan Most of them expect to be treated like princesses by everyone, like the world owes them something.

You just hit the nail right on the head there, Ben. 90% of girls between the age of 15-20 think this way. And people ask why I have a hard time establishing a long term relationship.

Looks like I'm going to be single until I'm 25.

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Originally posted by Tordan Yeah, maybe it's time they taught men how to be men again.

It's too true to be funny! For all the bullshit talk that we hear about improving children's self-esteem, we're programmed at a very early age to have none whatsoever. We're told that we're all unconsciously sexist racist bigots and no matter how hard we try to overcome these emotional obstacles, it's hopeless. No matter what we say, there is always someone who might be offended, and if they're offended then we are in the wrong. We must always be careful what we say and who we say it too because it just *might* somehow be inappropriate.

Years ago I talked to this female psychologist who tried to give me a 30-minute lecture on how men are all fucked up because they're taught not to express their emotions as openly as women, and it all builds up and turns us into mental patients. Nowhere did she leave room for the possibility that perhaps we don't HAVE these emotions to express, that perhaps there is - oh my god! - some sort of BIOLOGICAL difference between men and women that might account for our emotional differences!!

All I could keep thinking for as long as this garbage went on was, my god, I feel so sorry for the men that have actually listened to this, and continue to become even more fucked up but still think they're being "cured" of some "disease". This one university-educated, career-motivated woman's inane drivel coupled with her total inability to put together any rational argument to support her conclusions despite her obviously extensive education was, I think, what really opened my eyes to the horrible junk science of the social workers and the academic world at large. It's always the do-gooders that hurt us the most.

Maybe some day, people will start to realize that boys and girls need each other and aren't really engaged in a war of the sexes. We can only hope...

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's always the do-gooders that hurt us the most.

Exactly, which completely ties into the junk food post and why i'm against banning it.

(tatgirl speaking)

Whats wrong with society today is the whole 'if u smack your kid you're commiting child abuse' crap. These kids today grow up with NO discipline at all, and we're seeing the result of it now. We grew up with lots of discipline, and even tho it sucked, we grew up knowing our place and respecting our elders.

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Yup, most people these days need a good smack in the mouth, not just the kids.

So true. Where are the beatings w the baseball bat that I used to get? KIDDING.
Discipline IS needed though, fucking brats running around with no sense of control...

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you know who dropped the ball on this one. Its the majority of the parents in todays society and the courts. These kids today need a kick in the head.

I wasnt an easy kid to raise. My parents kept me in line though. If i did anything bad, i took a beating. Now, in retrospect, i thank my parents for it. They got me where i needed to be by any means necessary. Everything i accomplished i owe it to them.

Today, hitting your child is considered child abuse. You have to make your kids sit in the corner for 10 minute. WTF is that. Kids arent scared of sitting on a chair. They are scared of a backhand or an italian mom with a slipper or wooden spoon.


Bring back the back hands!!!

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hrmmmz.. should we implement this here.. ?

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Malls Nationwide Setting Curfews for Teens Fri Sep 17, 4:57 AM ET By ANITA CHANG, Associated Press Writer COLUMBUS, Ohio - It's 10 o'clock on a Friday night and all 15-year-old Sylvia Fallon wants to do is hang out with her friends at the mall. But she'll have to dodge security: Easton Town Center, like many shopping centers across the country, has a curfew for unchaperoned teens. Here, the witching hour is 9:30 p.m. At other malls, the curfew is as early as 6. Photo AP Photo "I think it's, like, annoying because what am I going to do anyway?" said Sylvia, striding briskly across the food court at 10:10, her eyes scanning the plaza for patrolling guards. "We just try to go by really fast. If you don't look them straight in the eye, it's OK," Sylvia pointed out before excusing herself. The mall, for many teens, is more than a place to spend money — it's a place to see and be seen, a place to entertain themselves, sometimes just a place to escape Mom's nagging. "Teens don't really feel like there's a lot of places for them. They don't want to hang out at home. They can't go to a bar or nightclub, obviously," said Rob Callender, senior trends manager for Teen Research Unlimited, a marketing research firm. Some malls set curfews after fights broke out among unruly teens; at other centers, it was a way to unclog the hallways for paying customers. "Hanging out in large groups, that is what we're not looking for," said Jim Craycroft, the facilities manager at Newport on the Levee in Newport, Ky., across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. The mall requires escorts after 8 p.m. except for teens going directly to a movie theater. The International Council of Shopping Centers does not keep track of how many of the country's 46,990 malls and shopping centers have curfews, but they are enforced at malls in not only Kentucky and Ohio, but also Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Georgia, Tennessee and North Carolina. According to Teenage Research Unlimited, 68 percent of 12- to 19-year-olds spend time at the mall in any given week. On average, teens spend 3 1/2 hours at the mall each week. The Mall of America in suburban Minneapolis, the country's largest retail and entertainment center, began its "parental escort policy" in 1996. "They like to hang out in big groups, they like to see their friends, but then customers couldn't walk through the hallways," said Maureen Bausch, the mall's vice president of business development. Teens 15 and younger must be accompanied by a parent or guardian 21 or older after 6 p.m. Fridays and Saturdays. One adult can escort up to 10 children. In the year before the curfew went into effect, Mall of America had about 300 incidents involving youths under 16 that required mall officials to either issue trespassing citations or call police. The year after the policy was put into place, there were two incidents, Bausch said. "You don't just say you're not welcome because they are welcome," she said. "We just welcome them with a parent," she said. Mall of America had about 10,000 youths under 16 on any Friday or Saturday night before the policy, Bausch said. Now, there are even more shoppers on those nights. Some retailers at Easton said the rule helps them maintain a more professional atmosphere. "A curfew benefits retailers mainly because we don't have a bunch of kids running around," said Matt Radici, 23, who works at the mall's T-Mobile cell phone store. "There's a lot of loitering, and cell phones are such a fashion item that they'll take the model phones, the plastic ones that don't work, because they think they're cool," he said. Some teens — 15-year-old of Sarah Creelman, for one — aren't bothered by the curfew. Sarah, who lives in the Columbus suburb of New Albany, spent the day at Easton recently, shopping and watching a movie with her neighbor and their little sisters. As lines of cars rolled by her on the bustling Friday night, Sarah said she goes to Easton about twice a month. She likes the mall, curfew or not, because it has everything — clothing stores, McDonald's, coffee shops. "I think it's fair enough," she said, "because most parents want you home at a certain time anyway."

source:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...us/mall_curfews

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I don't think that giving kids a beating these days will help anything. If anything I think that a beating would make a kid even worse. I can understand spankings, but other that, I just think hitting your kid is totally intolerable. I just think discipline like curfews, setting rules like no phone after 9 o'clock as well as internet, those kind of things are what kids need now-a-days. I have a daughter (she's only 16 months) of my own, and the last sort of discipline that I would resort to would be beating her. No matter what she did.

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Originally posted by Ashley I don't think that giving kids a beating these days will help anything. If anything I think that a beating would make a kid even worse. I can understand spankings, but other that, I just think hitting your kid is totally intolerable. I just think discipline like curfews, setting rules like no phone after 9 o'clock as well as internet, those kind of things are what kids need now-a-days. I have a daughter (she's only 16 months) of my own, and the last sort of discipline that I would resort to would be beating her. No matter what she did.

Umm, coming from someone who's parents tried that method on me -- it doesn't work. "no phone after 9pm" "fuck you mom!" . The kid is 13 years old, what are you going to do, throw him/her out on to the street?

Not to say that was the response I gave to my parents, I actually obeyed them because I respected them. But I know many other kids who have total disrespect for their parents and that's the response they give when their parents try to "punish" them in that way.