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Originally posted by tranceaholic you know ur only line of defence that u use in gazillion of threads is that he is respected..who the fuck cares..hey everybody go see PVD tongiht he sucks but atleast he is respected by BT n cox..why dont u put that info in ur sig and save us the trouble..for a highly judgmental and critical person ur reasoning is crap.

Defence to what? Im not defending anything, simply making a point. Everything youve attributed to me in that ^ I simply have not said.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 What does it take for a fan to not be clueless,

Have an open mind, expand your horizons, and explore the entirety of EDM as much as possible.

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or a DJ not to be a joke?

Learn how to scratch and/or mix. Good mixing = Either very long transitions or more than 20 tracks in 60 minutes.

I don't buy a mix CD if it has less than 20 tracks. The trick is to know the DJ's who can do it well. I'm not talking about "club rave nation anthems ibiza 2001" stuff with 25 tracks jammed together haphazardly by a computer geek either.

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I really didnt mean to start an argument, I was honestly trying to learn something about what it takes for an EDM musician to deserve respect and what it takes for a TA to not be clueless.

thank you for your answer radaghast. I imagine us trance fanst are doing their best to expand their horizons and open their minds, at least I am anyway

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Originally posted by Radagast You're assuming that those DJ's respect PVD with no evidence. I don't assume they either despise or respect him because there is no real proof of what they think...but if I were to take a guess based on their respective scene's attitude i'd say despise. While it's true that PVD has been in the trance game longer than most, since the early 90's, he still sold out along with trance in the eyes of many.

What proof do you want? Its not something that can be set out in black and white. I cant just paste sasha's opinions up here and say they are genuine... id just get the same 'prove it' response.

The fact is that PvD goes way back with people like Sasha, Bt, Deep Dish etc etc... I dont know if they still like his music, but I would guess they definately DONT. However, whenever they pick someone out to slate its always tiesto... and Sasha, Bt, Deep Dish & PvD are all still good mates, they obviously respect him as a person, whether or not its deserved.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee What proof do you want? Its not something that can be set out in black and white. I cant just paste sasha's opinions up here and say they are genuine... id just get the same 'prove it' response. The fact is that PvD goes way back with people like Sasha, Bt, Deep Dish etc etc... I dont know if they still like his music, but I would guess they definately DONT. However, whenever they pick someone out to slate its always tiesto... and Sasha, Bt, Deep Dish & PvD are all still good mates, they obviously respect him as a person, whether or not its deserved.

I thought you meant producers outside of the trance scene, no doubt PVD has many friends who spin the same genre of music.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I really didnt mean to start an argument, I was honestly trying to learn something about what it takes for an EDM musician to deserve respect and what it takes for a TA to not be clueless.

understand that the views on ta / 'trance' forums are not representative of the wider church of 'electronic music'. They are a very small minority, and a minority that is seen as a joke by pretty much every single other field you can think of.

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Originally posted by Radagast I thought you meant producers outside of the trance scene, no doubt PVD has many friends who spin the same genre of music.

Jeff Mills, Miss Kittin, Laurent Garnier, Dr Motte, WestBam, Liebing, DC, Felix are all mates of his.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Jeff Mills, Miss Kittin, Laurent Garner, Dr Motte, WestBam, Liebing, DC, Felix are all mates of his.

That may be true, but even if they respect him as a person do they respect his music or his abilities as a DJ?

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Originally posted by Radagast That may be true, but even if they respect him do they respect his music or his abilities as a DJ?

I would think that they dont, you constantly hear of PvD & Laurent Garnier having arguments about 'trance'. Most people would see this as garnier being bitchy about the 'trance scene' although the fact is that they are alright with each other. I dont think theyd ever volunteer a positive view about his music, but on the other hand they would never seriously single him out for criticism. It is weird, most of these djs ^ are quite outspoken, but PvD does have a kind of immunity from their criticisms.

Plus WestBam, Lexy, K Paul & Miss Kittin seemed to be having a good time when PvD was playing at LFA this year Although they werent anywhere near the room while tiesto was on (neither was PvD for that matter).

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Originally posted by Laushinameee It is weird, most of these djs ^ are quite outspoken, but PvD does have a kind of immunity from their criticisms.

He does deserve some respect for his early involvement (however little) in Trance. Some give him this respect and some choose to ignore it in light of him riding the Epic/Anthem Trance wave to stardom.

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Originally posted by Radagast He does deserve some respect for his early involvement (however little) in Trance. Some give him this respect and some choose to ignore it in light of him riding the Epic/Anthem Trance wave to stardom.

I agree. I think the whole epic trance / 'son of god' / 'world leader of trance' shit was unfortunate & unnecessary. However he didnt exactly do a lot to distance himself from that through his music (which is where it counts) however hard he tried to do it through his words (which no one cares about).

98 99 trance fucked up his career. A lot of it was not his fault, and a lot of it was. Its just a shame though that most people today have no concept of the way the whole thing played out.

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