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Originally posted by Dave Piazza quote: Originally posted by Radagast on Nov.09 2004 Bad Boy Bill has contributed more to music than Sasha and those other half DJ's [refering to Digweed]

Sorry dimwit, I never posted that.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 How would you know? 7 years ago it was 1998 and Tiesto was not even known by many people, let alone you. In 1998 he was playing perfect sets and brilliant tunes, even up to 2000. In 2001 he played with prog and still held his own and in early 2002 is when he started playing more commercial trance then before - which by my calculations was 3 years ago.

Actually you are wrong. He was doing it before, but in '98 he started playing more commercial trance than before, or at least, that's when he had his first big pop trance break at innercity.

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Play for billions of people in the Olympics. Won countless awards year after year. Filled the Gelredome (not once but 3 times).

Justin Timberlake does all of those things as well.

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You just hate Tiesto because he is the most mainstream DJ right now. As you would hate any such DJ that is on top. You would of hated Oakie when he was the man, you would of hated PvD when he was the man and so on.

I dislike most trance DJ's. Tiesto maybe moreso, but it doesn't really matter.

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You are an elitist that thinks you are some how more of a trance fan because you hate the "in" thing of the moment. I guarantee if your most listened to DJ was as popular as Tiesto you would hate him as well. Pathetic.

The DJ's I listen to are both popular and underground, but they are always good.

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So anyone who listens to Tiesto is ignorant? Let me guess you have all the answers you are a messiah that will lead us to the promised land of good unpopular trance.

No, anyone who thinks Tiesto is a good DJ is ignorant.

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All you do is post negative things..mainly about Tiesto...why is it i don't post in Armin van Buuren threads when people praise him and attack all his fans for the their musical taste? Please go to www.dictionary.com and look up the word you so love to toss on other people and you will see that your intolerance is in fact IGNORANT!

Wow. This guy actually thinks Intolerance and Ignorance are synonyms? I won't go to dictionary.com to cut and paste the definitions here, because i'm sure you will be able to concentrate your few remaining braincells hard enough to check it out yourself and find out how stupid you are.

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OOOHHHHHH so ONLY people who keep it underground have respect for music? Thanks i didnt know that. You are so damn smart.

No, a lot of underground artists make crap music also.

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Seriously man if you like it underground so much why do you even post about?

Seriously man, if i'm so sad, why argue with me at all?

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Fact is - you are a wannnbe elitist who thinks by bashing popular DJs that

Correction, I bash shitty DJ's.

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Originally posted by trancebrat I still don't understand why people can't simply pass up a thread if they are opposed to the subject matter. Sure you may get tired of seeing the same old thing over and over, but as long as TA keeps growing and new people keep joining and posting expect to see more and more of these kinds of threads. We are a poor community when it comes to supporting our EDM artists. At least they are trying to provide something to us. What are the rest of you doing? At the end of the day Tiesto is still Tiesto. He is still ranked the #1 in the world regardless of whether or not you think he deserves it. He still tours the world and fills stadiums. He still produces music. You may hate him as a DJ and as a producer but I can assure you that your bitching on a message board will never take any of that way from him. The fact that you know his name and have heard his music says something on its own. At the end of the day he is still Tiesto and you are still a hater on a message board. Try moving onto another thread of something that is of interest to you (that you actually support) and post something positive for a change. Surely that won't kill you.

I agree with this to a large extent and to what Tiesto14 has said. However, it is annoying to hear people, obviously blinded by the hype, praise Tiesto so one-sidedly. You can be a Tiesto fan and admit that he's not a phenomenal mixer. That just means that technical mixing isn't as important to you, or that you don't hear all of the mistakes (you meant as a general term, not you Amber). I just can't sit by the wayside if someone tries to call Tiesto a better dj than Sasha. Saying he plays a style that you like better is fair. But Sasha is ten times better. That is clear to anyone who really understands mixing. They both program well and play good tracks (within their genres), but Sasha is far superior technically.

I know this didn't come up in here, but I hear those kinds of comments all the time. It's a little bit frustrating. We should be able to give our honest opinions, as long as we aren't just flaming. Substantiate your claims and be constructive, yet honest.

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Originally posted by Radagast Try for the past seven years.

the handful of people that were even aware of tiesto seven years ago would undoubtedly agree on the brilliance of his sets in the late '90s. if you can't appreciate the stuff tiesto was dropping back then you need to reconsider what you're doing at this site

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What exactly has he done that no other DJ has come close to?

for better or worse, tiesto has brought tens of thousands of new fans into edm -- that's to say nothing of his individual accomplishments.

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I don't have a fav DJ. I just realize that Tiesto is far below many in the skills department. You know what I can't stand? I can't stand ignorant music fans whom always go on about the Pop stars and how they are better than everyone else because a lot of morons voted for him. People who don't even know what a real DJ is. You can be good and popular, but being popular doesn't automatically make it good.

please dude -- all you do is flame... how many times have you even seen the djs you criticise live? my guess is not many...

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Uh oh, here come the personal attacks. Furor, i'm not perfect, you're just ignorant. There's a difference.

if people attack you it's 'cause of the shoddy way you've treated others in the past...

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Originally posted by Konijn Island for better or worse, tiesto has brought tens of thousands of new fans into edm -- that's to say nothing of his individual accomplishments.

So has many a dj before him.

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Originally posted by trancebrat He would never see it that way. He would never think he is wrong. His posts are almost always negative and that isn't by accident.

Please throw him in the batch of other negative TA's ( i.e. Laushinameee, Twig, davidclarke , etc)

But atleast those assholes can hold an arugement this fool makes no sense.

He tries to hard to be an asshole. It just doesn't work.

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Originally posted by trancebrat He would never see it that way. He would never think he is wrong. His posts are almost always negative and that isn't by accident. It is pointless arguing with him because he thinks he knows better than everyone else. He and one other person that posts regularly in here have this "my shit doesn't stink and all of yours does" attitude.

I agree and I know who you're talking about. Thing is that they both have shitty attitudes, but they know what they're talking about. Or, at least, they know their genres. You can't argue with them, because they will never give anything up or admit that they stated something wrong. They circle and cycle around the same arguments.

When you respect the music on the whole you can admit someone's shortcomings and skills. I rip BBB to piss Rad off. I hate his music, but I know he's a good dj and have admitted so in the past. We know you don't like trance, but a lot of people do. You can't attack a style of music. Personal taste determines what you like and don't like. If you can't recognize good trance vs. bad trance and give reasons for your hypothesis, you should shut up. I agree that Tiesto isn't a good dj, in some aspects, but if you think he doesn't know how to program, you've never seen him live or seen the way that he controls the crowd. You have a closed mind and that's why a lot of people here think you are a jackass. Open your mind and judge the music for what it is, not what you like.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Please throw him in the batch of other negative TA's ( i.e. Laushinameee, Twig, davidclarke , etc) But atleast those assholes can hold an arugement this fool makes no sense. He tries to hard to be an asshole. It just doesn't work.

You make things up that I never said in an attempt to argue with me and i'm the negative one who can't hold an argument?

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Originally posted by Radagast You make things up that I never said in an attempt to argue with me and i'm the negative one?

I was in that thread and you did say it. I think it was the PVD discussion or the last Tiesto thread. Look back and eat those words.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I know this didn't come up in here, but I hear those kinds of comments all the time. It's a little bit frustrating. We should be able to give our honest opinions, as long as we aren't just flaming. Substantiate your claims and be constructive, yet honest.

There is a difference between saying that you don't like an artist and outright bashing them. Tiesto doesn't suck as a DJ. I have witnessed that shit for myself and I am not some 15 year old kid that just started listening to EDM yesterday. He has his bad moments but so does many other DJ's. I don't think he is God. I also don't post in every other thread about other artists that I think could use a load of improvement as well.

Our community looks ugly 75% of the time. It gets old. We attack artists that post in here and then bitch about the ones that won't take the time. It's so ridiculous. The people that do the most bitching and moaning probably have zero life and that is why they have no respect for the artists that are actually trying to do something.

At Gelderome Tiesto played three of Terry's tracks one of Mike Burns and then some other tracks from other friends of mine (some being other TA's). To say that all Tiesto plays is cheese is saying that all of their music is cheese. I beg to differ. I love how people hype tracks on here yet if Tiesto plays it then suddenly it isn't worthy.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I was in that thread and you did say it. I think it was the PVD discussion or the last Tiesto thread. Look back and eat those words.

I looked at all of my posts in that thread immediately prior to posting that, and I never once said, or even implied, that BBB has done more for EDM than Sasha and Digweed. Much less said the words Dave Piazza fabricated. You want the "the best mixing you've heard" thread.

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Radagast... for as much shit as you talk about Tiesto... I'm certain that you can't do what he can do behind the decks. I'm also certain that Tiesto doesn't give a fuck about a couple of kids calling him a bad DJ. He draws the crowd wherever he goes. While good promotion has a lot to do with that, you'd have to be a dunce to think he isn't a talented musician.

I'm not saying that Tiesto is my favorite DJ by any means. I enjoy his work, sure, but he's actually a long way down my list as far as favorites are concerned. I just think it's idiotic to try to downplay the fact that he is the most popular DJ in the world for a reason.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer I was in that thread and you did say it. I think it was the PVD discussion or the last Tiesto thread. Look back and eat those words.

It was in the who's the best mixer thread.

It got side tracked when me and Laushinameee had a debate about FS.

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