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Originally posted by bARTovsky That is obviously quite understandable. However I think the issue here is simply a matter or priorities in terms of what should be listed or de-listed First. and thats where all these comparisons come into play. Do I think sex change operations should be publicly funded? If its helping out people and society then of course. BUT thats only After certain other medical procedures are funded first. I dont mean to brutally simplify any of this because its not all black and white... but I think it's a matter of seeing what conditions are most life threatening or harmful and working your way down that list...

Absolutely!

The government is always going to have a funding priority list and if cuts need to be done, then someone is going to loose out.
It would be nice to live up in that cloudy utopian society where every medical procedure was covered but we don't live there.
The government is accountable to its taxpayers (nee voters) too, not just special interest groups.
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Originally posted by Jayx1 I dont look down on transsexuals at all. I thank god im not one because it must be terribly difficult. However, i still cannot buy their arguement that it violates their rights when so many common services are delisted. My point here is not about whether it should be listed or not. My point is that if they win this case based on discrimination then why shouldnt i be able to fight for discrimintion based on having to pay for an eye exam? If not having the right "equipment" is grounds for discrimination then not being able to see properly is as well. I don't really care if transsexuals get free operations or not. Personally i think it would be great if they did. But there is no justification for that to happen unless they relist all the other more common procedures first. People who need glasses or contacts have rights too. Just because they don't fall into a special politically correct special interest group doesn't lessen that. (or it shouldnt at least)

you're right...we agree to a great extent. Both should be funded.

so then I'd say to you...put your money, time and energy where your mouth is, if this is such an important issue to you. Clearly it is to those transgendered persons...they're going to court. Their desire to fight for funding for a proceedure that they can't afford on there own appears to be rather strong and something they believe in.

What are the people who feel so strongly about funded eye exams doing? not much, it seems.

So are you upset at this issue going to court? or the lack of motivation on the part of the millions of people who require eye exams?

This is my point. If this case wins i know two people who are chiropractors and i will be presenting this idea to them. I personally dont have the money to challenge this in the court but it would be a good way to right the wrong that mcguinty has placed on all of us. Its time to hold these liars accountable.

If this is a human rights case then you and I also have the same rights to other services.

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If the government pays for gender transition treatment, which is a form of body modification, then they should pay for brest enhancements and nose jobs too. Eye exams are 100 times more important then any form of body modification.

And Skipper, I realize that they have issues about thier body, but so do millions of other Canadians. This isn't about how they feel, it is about the line that should be drawn when it comes to government funding. If you are born with a penis, and you want to trade it in, you better start fundraising, sorry transexuals.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 If they win i just might. Im tired of special interests. It's time for someone to stick up for the common person.

Good! It's really quite hypocritical of you to judge people who are fighting for what they believe in when you have no plans to fight for what you believe in.

Props to them. i'm sure they have encountered a lot of opposition along the way.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 This is my point. If this case wins i know two people who are chiropractors and i will be presenting this idea to them. I personally dont have the money to challenge this in the court but it would be a good way to right the wrong that mcguinty has placed on all of us. Its time to hold these liars accountable. If this is a human rights case then you and I also have the same rights to other services.

Sounds like we agree in principle.
However, many in this thread have put forth an argument that goes like this: "if you were born with a penis, deal with it, or pay for it" which is similar to "if you were born with a lazy eye, or imperfect vision, deal with it, or pay for it." Some people in this thread would agree with the first statement but not the second, which is hugely hypocritical.

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Originally posted by PartEgurl If the government pays for gender transition treatment, which is a form of body modification, then they should pay for brest enhancements and nose jobs too. Eye exams are 100 times more important then any form of body modification. ...

That's a very slippery slope. You're making a value judgement on what is "100% more important". To you, who presumably leads a relatively normal life, vision is probably REALLY important. I fall into that boat too. To a transgendered individual, every waking hour is probably occupied with their condition and how they can "fix" it. To them, the procedure is a lot more life altering and important to them than not having to pay for their exam to get proper contact lenses.

Taking the path you lay out, I could then say that fixing your broken arm is a form of "body modification", no? If you reply with "well, your arm wasn't broken before, it's merely a repair", then I'd say what about people born with serious disfigurements? They feel that they can't integrate or function in society...well, a transgendered person feels the same way. Those with disfigurements are in a vast minority comapared to those who need corrective vision care, but you won't find many people saying "fuck paying for that kid's surgery to fix his disfigured face, their parents can cover it", will you?

Seriously...while there are those with "issues", the idea is that the intense psycholigical assessments will weed out those who just "think" they want to change their gender. Anyone who actually makes it to the surgery stage (in Canada, anyway) is well beyond the "this is a phase" or "I just need psychotherapy" stage

There's a difference between elective body modification and a legitimately recognized condition. Like I said, this isn't a frivolous issue...it's been researched and documented. It's not the same as piercing your nose or enlarging your breasts (although in cases of RADICALLY large or small breasts that seriously affect a women's quality of life, I'd support funded surgery too).

How about bald people. What about our psycological well being.
If i want my hair back i gotta pay 5K but if i want a C unt and tits I can get them for free courtesy of our government.

What is this world coming to.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So they delisted sex change operations and these people say it's a violation of their human rights. Well when i have to pay for an eye exam because i cant see i think i will seriously take the province to court if this case wins. I think sight is a little more important than a penis replacement. Why shit like this even makes it to court is beyond me.

why? cuz this is canada. only stuff like this u can be sure to happen here.

get used to it..

but ya that shit is disturbing. and im reallly not surprised about it

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..He described his partner’s life after surgery as radiant and full of joy.

lol! wut a joke


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Originally posted by nycionx lol! wut a joke happpy happpy joy joy (fagots)

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded