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Originally posted by DigiNut Hahahaha, that's a good one. If you want to call oppressive Leftism something other than "liberal" then that's fine and dandy, but don't call it "conservative"!

I consider someone conservative if anything "extreme" is offensive to them. Most Canadian "liberals" would freak out over real life encounters with most of the people they tried to defend. Whats more, most Canadian "liberals" envelope conservative ideas aside from a few media sexy fad issues that make themselves feel good such as gay marriage.

Im a true Liberal in many ways because my attitude is that if it doesnt harm someone else, you should be able to do whatever you please. This boils down to EVERY aspect of life. I hold conservative ideals however when it comes to how our government should spend our money.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

No Jay, you're a pseudo-anarchist. You may claim to be liberal but one need look no further than your pro-tobacco arguments to recognize that you appear to be against laws of any kind, no matter what their purposes are.

The liberalism you're talking about is the old Liberal Capitalism, which is what I believe in - the three inalienable rights (life, private property, and the pursuit of happiness) and the role of government in protecting those rights, which means criminalization of any behaviour that directly infringes on someone else's rights. In your case, you hold private property rights near and dear but don't seem to recognize the other two beyond the terminally obvious like first-degree murder.

So please, don't go around calling yourself a liberal, because you're not a liberal by either the post-modern definition or the conventional definition. And Canadian Liberals are certainly not conservatives in disguise, because most of them genuinely believe in the tax-and-spend economy in addition to all those "fad" left-wing media issues. I understand the reasoning you're using - that "liberal" implies "freedom" and the hard left is far too oppressive to rightly be placed in that category, but "conservative" implies traditional values, traditional wisdom and a small government, which is even further from the reality.

Please Jay - the last thing we need is yet another form of equivocation thrown into the mix here. You've got a pretty good track record for not getting wrapped up in asinine semantic debates - so keep that up and don't try to get any deeper into this one.

And to the rest - sorry to veer off topic so much, but semantics and equivocation (á là Chomsky) are one of my pet peeves.

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I agree that semantics are silly. However i must say that I am not against law and order. I am against governments or organizations dictating how one should live life. I am against social engieneering by any means other than unbiased education. My #1 belief is that the government should only help you break a habit, lifestyle, etc when you ask for that help and that it is their duty to provide the proper education you need to know the consequences of unhealthy beaviour whether it be drugs, smoking, alcohol, sex etc.

Im also against double standards. People who stand there and preach to me about the dangers of second hand smoke and then go on to start a thread about the joys of pot smoking come to mind.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

^^^ it's mind boggling that you still compare 2nd hand smoke to pot smoking...it's getting frustrating...how the f**k are those anything resembling similar issues???

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Originally posted by DigiNut No Jay, you're a pseudo-anarchist...

thank you!!! I very much agree, haha...

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ it's mind boggling that you still compare 2nd hand smoke to pot smoking...it's getting frustrating...how the f**k are those anything resembling similar issues??? thank you!!! I very much agree, haha...

because they are both smoke that you inhale thats why. If somebody tells me pot smoking is good for you i'll laugh.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 But i DO NOT think a child should have 2 mommies or two daddies or a mommy and no daddy or a daddy and no mommy. It is my belief that whatever the arrangement, it is essential for a child to have both a stable male and female role model in their life.

I disagree.

I won't get into intimate personal details - but my mother has been the BEST role model I've had in my life (father, step-father or otherwise) and I like to think that as a result both my brother and myself have ended up to be happy, contributing, successful and good people.

Having a mommy or daddy (or both, or two) isn't what results in a child growing up to be a happy, contributing, successful, good person.

Being in a home where a child knows that they are loved and supported unconditionally, a home that sets reasonable limits/rules, communicates them effectively and enforces consequences if they are transgressed and overall sets forth a good role model for a child to follow is what produces a good outcome.

It is ESSENTIAL for a child to have a strong support structure (moral, academic and otherwise) - and that is not interdependent on both a male or female role model for parental figures. Such an environment can be created with a single parent, both parents, a community, other family members or any other loving relationship.

Your views are nuclear family-esque - and frankly based on my experience, applying the 1950's cookie-cutter approach to our rapidly evolving society no longer is appropriate.

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Homos that want to adopt children are VERY greedy and selfish individuals. They're willing to sacrifice the mental, social and developmental health of the adopted child for their own selfish desire to have kids.

Unless we want a Brave New World where all kids are born in test tubes, traditional marriage must be saved.

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Martin is a dictator: no elected Senate, no review of judges, almost no free votes, etc.

Now he's said that there will be no referendum on same-sex marriage. Outrageous!

A tiny (1-2%) minority of the population will now impose their will on the rest of us.

This is a sad day indeed.

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Originally posted by Sexyboy79 Hahaha this will be the fall of your goverment. Jesus will come back you siners. LOL. Kidding i am a athiest but the right wingers of here in america are crazy like that... Sexyboy

were in buffalo u from???

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Homos that want to adopt children are VERY greedy and selfish individuals. They're willing to sacrifice the mental, social and developmental health of the adopted child for their own selfish desire to have kids. Unless we want a Brave New World where all kids are born in test tubes, traditional marriage must be saved.

The desire to have kids or even adopt is not out of greed or selfishness but rather out of love. This is ************ of sexuality. You concern yourself with the mental health of the child? Oh please, the child needs a loving and nurturing environment go grow up in. The parents' sexual preference has nothing to do with it.

Your idea of the "Brave New World" is from the movies. Perhaps you should leave your perfect make-believe world and come back to reality.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Homos that want to adopt children are VERY greedy and selfish individuals. They're willing to sacrifice the mental, social and developmental health of the adopted child for their own selfish desire to have kids. Unless we want a Brave New World where all kids are born in test tubes, traditional marriage must be saved.

My muslim brother.. why are you so angry? Freedom for all! Even immigrants like you!

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