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| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
well, im going to end my involvement here, we all have our views, and we hold them very strongly. niether side is going to budge. my morality, the christian morality, is not my personal morality but that of god. everything bad today was originally for a good purpose. |
yes you have your personal opinion, but let others have theirs 
| quote: | | god created man, and he created woman to be a companion to man, because not one animal helper satisfied man. so eve was created, and two flesh became one. they were told to populate the world rule over it. stemming from this, u cant reproduce homosexually and populate a world. and if everyone was homosexual, the human race would become extinct. that is why its not natural. |
well, again you are assuming everyone believe in god, guess what, not everyone does!
try to consider other persons life too, and respect them. So everyone does not believe in god, everyone does not believe that homosexuals is a sin. there are annimals that do pracitce homosexual activites, are they not natural? arent animals kinda the most natural thing ever? or have they been influenced by the new culture?  it is an mutation, but its still natural that that occurs.
| quote: | | because the law is not attacking them, they are attacking the law. laws are to forbid an act. the marraige law doesnt forbid homosexuality. it allows the marraige of a male and female, and forbids anything else. i cant marry a cat, or another male. the law isnt attacking homosexuals like the jim crow laws did to blacks. |
i certainly dont get your logic. If a law is only permitting some to do something, doesnt it forbid the others then? I give every non christian person the right of free speech, but not the christians, doesnt that take away a right from you even tho you still could be christian?
| quote: | | maybe a comprimise could be set of civil unions with the most important benefits, such as access to hospital rooms, if one dies, the other gets the property, things like that. ide be all for that. |
well, if you got THE SAME rights from civil unions as from marriage, i would be all for that too. Although i dont get why you couldnt call it marriage.
| quote: | | ok, if its not so wrong, would u ever have sex with a man?? all the homosexual men ive met, told me themselves, they hated the feelings they had. they wished it was for a woman. something always happened in their lives to set their path this way such as molestation, no father, curiosity that runs wild. they explitcitly told me they knew it was wrong while they were doing it, and they didnt even believe in god at that time. ive met about 3 or 4, and they all had turned away from that life through god. |
do you ever meet people outside church? 
the ones you didnt read about in church for sure dont feel like that, most gays are in fact very proud to be gays.
| quote: | | but, there are those, probably a great number who will say, i love men, its not wrong, etc. i believe those are the ones who's consious's have been seared, feeling no guilt for wrong acts or knowing what is right or wrong. not in the way a murderer would not know right or wrong(insanity). but in the attitude of "whatever i want to do, im going to do." oliver crowlee, the founder of modern satanism in 1904 wrote in his book, "Do what thou willst." essentially, do whatever u want. |
as long as it doesnt hurt you, i still cant understand whats wrong with it? you might think that homosexuals are something wrong to god, but we live in a society were not everyone believe in god, so you should take their point of views into account too. Gays getting married WONT HURT YOU IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
| quote: | | NOTE: my morality comes from what the bible says, not from my personal feelings. |
Just out of curisity, have you ever read the bible with a critical thinking or do you just accept it?
| quote: | | no, most of the time, it was the southern churches that supported it. and again, it stems from the history of the black being under the whites for so many years. over that long period of time, of course there is going to be the feeling superiority of whites over blacks. and ill say, there is no biblical reference to support segregation, racial superiority, or slavery. and dont confuse slavery from 1500's-1865 with slavery from B.C.-early A.D. times. |
well the reason why i took it up was that the church tend to always say things that is out of its buisness and why wouldnt the same thing happen today?
| quote: | | they cant marry their same sex, but they can marry someone of the opposite sex. if homosexual marraige isnt wrong, then if i am into beastiality, and i want to marry a horse, then i should be able to do that right? if not, then thats discrimination. to a non-christian, is beastiality wrong? if not, then i should be able to kill the man in the street that looks at me a funny way, and i hope thats wrong to a non-christain. if yes, then why is beastiality wrong and homosexuality right. |
if an animal could speak and understand what a marriage is, well then i would be all for marriage with animals... haha.. but thats a rather unrealistic situation.
| quote: | | who are u to tell me i am not mature enough? u dont know me. youve never met me. why do u have authority to tell me i cant drink, when i know im mature enough? i also have a sports car that ive souped up to go a top speed of 160MPH. im 17, and i know i have the life experience to drink. **REALITY**im 17, and i think im invincible. the drinking laws are in place to save lives so that risky 17 year old know-it-alls like me dont do something stupid and get behind the wheel and kill somebody with my car. and dont tell me u didnt do anything stupid when u were in the teen years. |
i didnt say you werent mature enough, i said that if you were then it would be age discrimination. And i do think 21 is waaaay to old for legal drinking age! thats really even more off topic tho and i actually started another thread about it if you didnt see it 
| quote: | | the reason behind the marraige law is to protect the basic family values against curruption. |
well, shouldnt you criminalize the whole homosexual thng then?
| quote: | | i also, hope youve heard about the hundreds of gay divorces that have already come out of this gay marraige deal. u really only see the poster models of gay couples in the media. |
lmao! did you hear about the millons of divorces between man and women too?
| quote: | | if u consider homosexuality to be a sin, then that would mean your marraige(male/female) which is rightfully so, is now not so rightfully so, and now on the level of sin. but u dont consider a sin, u think its right. but we both live in the same world, and im not going to live in a world where my marraige is brought down to the level of sin. |
so the whole problem is that you do not want to be brought down to their level?
| quote: | | being offended is being hurt. if i was married, ide be offended, because it goes against my views and the views that have been in place for millinea. |
discrimination against women have been in place for millinea too, does that mean its right?
| quote: | | let me ask u one question. where did marriage come from?? |
i have no clue to be honest, do you? just because it is written in the bible it doesnt mean it didnt excist before the bible.
| quote: | | ill say again, they already can enjoy the same freedoms we can, technically speaking, they can marry anybody, as long its of the opposite sex. if something goes against my beliefs, im going to voice my opinion and influece no matter what. |
okay so you are going to voice your opinon, no matter what, even tho if it insult other poepls rights?
| quote: | | and at that, good debating with ya St_Andrew. plz answer back but try to end the discussion between me and you. we both have our opposing views, and no ones going to back down, but at least we had a go at it. |
yeah none of us will change i guess... at least not i
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