I agree. "Punk" (I put that in quotes cause the shit coming out today is not really punk)rock today is pure shit. Most of the songs I've heard use the same two or three power cords through the entire song. The only hard part is staying in time. I used to be in a punk band and got out of it cause I realized how lame it has gotten.

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Originally posted by WM2 I agree. "Punk" (I put that in quotes cause the shit coming out today is not really punk)rock today is pure shit. Most of the songs I've heard use the same two or three power cords through the entire song. The only hard part is staying in time. I used to be in a punk band and got out of it cause I realized how lame it has gotten.

I sort of agree with a small part of what you said. Yes "punk" bands that are in the eye of the public, sum 41, blink 182, green day, are pretty much shite. But you must dig deeper! There are still plenty of great punk bands around and some new ones coming about. Thats like someone saying EDM is shit because i just picked up the latest copy of trance party volume 43 off the tele. I always thought that gauging music by how "hard" it is was only for guitar shredding metal heads? I guess the true skill lies in being able to take a group of kids that can barely play their instruments(sometimes) and barely sing(sometimes) and turning it into something one can appreciate for not trying to be something its not.

If you were in a punk band before im sure you know these but check out bad religion, swingin utters, streetlight manifesto, rancid. If you can write a song even approaching their caliber and send it my way i will sign over my car title to you and you can even keep the rights to the song! Anyway, these "punk" bands may slightly rip the style of "real" punk bands by writing fast and usually simple songs, but its instantly obvious they arent punk bands, the spirit simply isnt there. Sorry for the ramble, you hit a sensitive spot because as you implied punk rock is getting quite a shitty reputation due to MTV.

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i sitll listen to trance but alot of producers these days aint doing anything to be original...

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I tell u one thing.. Electronic Music will be the main genre i'm gonna listen for the rest of my life.. i'm 90% sure of that!!

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Trance is elusively the easiest to make.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Trance requires people to take time and let go to build the "trancy" feeling. Nowadays, who has time anymore?

Therefore the "trancy feeling" should be even easier to make if the music itself is so easy to produce, especialy with so much crap out there.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ People who weren't into Trance in the first place grew angry as they get annoyed by EuroCheese. They do not and cannot distinguish between Cheese and Trance. So they swear to hate Trance due to their confusion.

My question is where are these people who don't listen to trance anymore you speak of? You mentioned them in the title and through the entire thing all I heard about was about people who don't listen to it to begin with.

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Originally posted by trewqy I tell u one thing.. Electronic Music will be the main genre i'm gonna listen for the rest of my life.. i'm 90% sure of that!!

me too.....i am 200%

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I listen to trance and I don't really care about those who don't.

Their loss (so I perceive), and my gain.

I'm sick of people who assume that Trance fans are uneducated or new to EDM -- I have friends who fall into this group and it bothers me.

I love Trance/Techno/House - who cares about the posers who have 'progressed' to other genres. Good for them, enjoy whatever music you prefer - but - don't knock others for their tastes - ESPECIALLY if they were your tastes a year prior.

Electronic music fans love to preach acceptance about their music - yet - there isn't enough acceptance of fans of within different EDM genres, how ironic.

Enough with the hate.

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Originally posted by Swamper I love Trance/Techno/House - who cares about the posers who have 'progressed' to other genres. Good for them, enjoy whatever music you prefer - but - don't knock others for their tastes - ESPECIALLY if they were your tastes a year prior.

One of my favourites is people telling others that their tastes havn't evolved or that they just havn't heard anything other than trance. I find that people who branch off into heavy progressive and whatnot seam to be the most elitest type people.

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Originally posted by Swamper Enough with the hate.

I couldn't agree more.

Personally, I can appreciate most forms of music. I honestly don't give a damn what others might think about what I listen to and resent those who are of the attitude that everything that is not their favourite genre at the present time must be trash.

You're right Swamper. You're right.

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Originally posted by Swamper I'm sick of people who assume that Trance fans are uneducated or new to EDM -- I have friends who fall into this group and it bothers me.

Um, but usually they are uneducated and/or new to EDM. I'd guess 90% of people who will ever start listening to EDM begin with listening to trance (modern day McTrance/the cheesier kind, that is), the rest start out with some form of house (commercial funky house... you know, the MoS stuff).

Ever checked out the discogs.com forums, or even littledetroit.net? Those people know their stuff, I mean really, they know their shit. They have intelligent discussions, I can't say much of that goes on here. And guess what; they don't listen to trance. They've been around for a long time.

I expect some n00bs to reply with "you're a twat" when they don't understand what I'm saying. Sigh.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.