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Originally posted by crazedcanuck I agree that the agressive countires are dwindling, but most arab nations and polical entities can be lumped under there, along with communist stronghold like North Korea and China.. two of the largest military powers in the world, dwarfing your own even. Organization List

How many times have china and North Korea invaded another nation in this century?

Then add up the times america has invaded another a nation or supported a coupe. I can think of a handfull in latin america alone. With them overthrowing a democratcially elected president in Hati and veneyzeula(spelling).


Honestly, that China is viewed as a major threat is a joke same as Iran.

Its just fear mongering. If you scare society enough they will allow you to do anything because they are scared the " yellow men" " or " Moors" are coming to attack.

Honestly

swilly

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Originally posted by George Smiley Yea I'm from near Sheffield but I'm actually in Leeds now at uni!

wiiiiiiiiiicked !!

I did an exchange there. Is base at space still going? What about harveys buy one pint get 3 free deal?

we used to go to sundissential every month. Man i loved my time there. I had a pretty wicked flat in the summer around hyde park. We used to go Barrish this little club in the hyde park area were you can buy weed from the owner and smoke it inside.

Awsome times!!!!!!
Also revolution vodka bar was fun too

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Still lacking any intelligent points, or proof to back yourself I see.

Errrrrrrrrr...I'm pretty sure what swilly said about Leeds/Sheffield wasn't really supposed to have anything to do with missile defence....duh!

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Islamists yes, paramilitary radicals opposed to Israel's existance and partnership with the US, not so much. Certainly not all Islamists are paramilitary, or are you foolishly lumping them all under one umbrella?

Oh god!

Ok, help me out here, what is the point you are trying to make? You think al-Qaida want to "destroy" America? To kill all the people or convert them to Islam?

Do you think bin Laden is stupid enough to think that even if he wanted that, he could achieve it?

Again, please tell me the point you are trying to make (and does it have anything to do with missile defence?!)

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Originally posted by swilly How many times have china and North Korea invaded another nation in this century? Then add up the times america has invaded another a nation or supported a coupe. I can think of a handfull in latin america alone. With them overthrowing a democratcially elected president in Hati and veneyzeula(spelling). Honestly, that China is viewed as a major threat is a joke same as Iran. Its just fear mongering. If you scare society enough they will allow you to do anything because they are scared the " yellow men" " or " Moors" are coming to attack. Honestly swilly

Considering China has the world's largest population, one of the largest and more agressive militaries, and has no qualms about invading it's neighbours, (google Tibet), I'd say they are hardly a meek lamb on the international stage.

This is a fact, as opposed to your arrogant rhetoric.

Still waiting for you to assemble a mature point by point argument that states that opting out of the BMD actually benefits Canada.

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Originally posted by swilly wiiiiiiiiiicked !! I did an exchange there. Is base at space still going? What about harveys buy one pint get 3 free deal? we used to go to sundissential every month. Man i loved my time there. I had a pretty wicked flat in the summer around hyde park. We used to go Barrish this little club in the hyde park area were you can buy weed from the owner and smoke it inside. Awsome times!!!!!! Also revolution vodka bar was fun too

To be honest I dont really go out in the town centre much (far far too expensive!) I live in Headingley so we mainly go to the bars there. The only "proper" club I've been to is Mission when BK was djing (all the other clubs are just cheesy stuff, but fun when drunk!!)

Where bouts is that Barrish?! Sounds cool!

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Still lacking any intelligent points, or proof to back yourself I see.

N i am more interested in speaking about Leeds Uni and Leeds in general.

Dont worry not all canadians are as daft as crazed cannuck. Sadly, we have alot more american media in canada then in the UK so eventually the propoganda machine works on some of the population.
Hell we even have fox news here now.

Hey you ever do the otely run? When we did we made it to dry docks and i was too pissed to go any further. It was mostely because we drank some wine before.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Considering China has the world's largest population, one of the largest and more agressive militaries, and has no qualms about invading it's neighbours, (google Tibet), I'd say they are hardly a meek lamb on the international stage. This is a fact, as opposed to your arrogant rhetoric. Still waiting for you to assemble a mature point by point argument that states that opting out of the BMD actually benefits Canada.

Ok, opting out of BMD saves Canada a lot of money, there is no threat, BMD has the potential to create the threat it seeks to defend against, and it doesn't work...

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Originally posted by swilly N i am more interested in speaking about Leeds Uni and Leeds in general. Dont worry not all canadians are as daft as crazed cannuck. Sadly, we have alot more american media in canada then in the UK so eventually the propoganda machine works on some of the population. Hell we even have fox news here now. Hey you ever do the otely run? When we did we made it to dry docks and i was too pissed to go any further. It was mostely because we drank some wine before.

Nah we were gonna do it the other week for someones birthday but we just went to Ark, the Box, Skyrack then to Halo (still, acheived the same level of pissedness!!)

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Originally posted by George Smiley To be honest I dont really go out in the town centre much (far far too expensive!) I live in Headingley so we mainly go to the bars there. The only "proper" club I've been to is Mission when BK was djing (all the other clubs are just cheesy stuff, but fun when drunk!!) Where bouts is that Barrish?! Sounds cool!

right in the centre of Hyde park. You know the Hyde park pub well if yout take the street that it is on and you go down the hill toward the student residential area in hyde park you eventually come to an area with alot of kebab houses and morrocan cafes etc..
Barrish is right in the area. Its sorta close to the mosque maybe about 2 blocks north east of it.

Dude you are so lucky. There is like no hard dance scene in canada. When i was in Leeds every weds we would check out space and see rob tissera or the tidy boys or anyone of a number of hard dance djs. BK easily being one of the best.
There are some nice places in headingly too i remeber this one bar opposite of the grocery store with tonnes of glass windows etc... also those two pubs right opposite of each other. The one has a massive garden and with picnic tables to drink in.
We would always pre drink there when i lived in the Bodinton flats area.

Ohhh i miss leeds.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Nah we were gonna do it the other week for someones birthday but we just went to Ark, the Box, Skyrack then to Halo (still, acheived the same level of pissedness!!)

Ahh the Ark and Sky rack that was there names. I loved those places.

Also dry docks was fun and the library too.

fuck they were all fun. I used to be able to meet alot of girls cause of my accent. It was awsome. Also girls i find in the UK are cooler about snogging in public then in canada. We can be sorta conservative about that.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Ok, opting out of BMD saves Canada a lot of money, there is no threat, BMD has the potential to create the threat it seeks to defend against, and it doesn't work...

Swilly, I competely agree with you on the uselessness of the system.

I'm not even for it.

But I am for our government supporting it politcally. If the Amreicans are going to spend billions to try to develop it, including research and development grants to Canadian corporations, then what does it hurt us? It already been agreed to by Martin that we only require our current NORAD level of staffing and funding once it's been developed on the data collection stations using the current radar net that forms our defensive perimeter.


As for cranking up a threat, during the coldwar, nukes were fought with nukes. So if you are using the cause and effect argument for an arms race, they all will create a multi-billion dollar usless BMD as opposed to more viable weapons.

I'd think you'd be happy with that.